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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by byw »

ta_1138 wrote: post #70
mschuster91 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Individualism in western countries varies quite a bit. In cross-country scores, Spain has numbers far closer to the middle east than to the US, and then Peru is closer to China than to Spain! So your invdidualism argument is only strong if by western, you mean the anglosphere, the Netherlands and Belgium.

Even within China, the north (wheat-growing culture) is noticeably more individualistic than the south (rice-growing culture). The south is also significantly more traditional.

Japan and Korea, despite being in North-East Asia, are rice-growing, due to their oceanic climate. Culturally they are also closer to Southern China.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-44770-w

One interesting result of the study is the culture change within one generation.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by lawgimenez »

I guess we should start breaking down Asia, not just lump everyone into this demographic. People here are confused between South Asia, Southeast Asia and East Asia, there may be some overlapping similarities but culturally it is vastly different.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by SkyPuncher »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #125
astrange wrote: post #100

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It can be, but you have to mod your stove, and you're supposed to move it outside first.

You can also buy an outdoor wok burner, but home cooks are generally not getting much wok hei.

I just use a turkey fryer.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by RockRobotRock »

baduongnham wrote: post #101

I see a lot of comments being made on here that are highly speculative of actual Asian American culture coming from users who - from their post histories - are not Asian. It's a lot of hearsay, and none of it is lived experience. The views that we "smoke behind our parents backs", or "burn a lot of incense", or "cook with a wok" are dated and archaic takes on what our lives are like. To the users making these comment…

You went through everyone’s comments to see if they were Asian?

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by attentive »

baduongnham wrote: post #101

I see a lot of comments being made on here that are highly speculative of actual Asian American culture coming from users who - from their post histories - are not Asian. It's a lot of hearsay, and none of it is lived experience. The views that we "smoke behind our parents backs", or "burn a lot of incense", or "cook with a wok" are dated and archaic takes on what our lives are like. To the users making these comment…

"burn a lot of incense" is a first hand experience here. Not a one off. You can't really tell me I imagine that. It's hard not to notice or even avoid.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by ahepp »

jncfhnb wrote: post #124
ahepp wrote: post #66

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My interpretation of the underlying study is that 53.4% of the asian women who developed cancer in the study were nonsmokers, which I believe is subtly different from what you said. But I think what NBC wrote on the graph is pretty unambiguous, that 53.4% of nonsmoking asian women in the study developed cancer. They titled the graph "Lung cancer among nonsmokers, by race" when it should really be "Nonsmoking among Lu…

Well your interpretation is not correct as you can validate because I posted the source table for you. 53.4% is the share of non smoking women who got lung cancer in the study that were Asian.

Actually, I did use the table you posted to validate my interpretation was correct before I posted it. Searching for the string "53.4" will direct you to the following:

                     female incident lung cancer cases
                            smoking status
               total             never       ever        unknown
    Asian |   296 (7.7)       158 (53.4)  103 (34.8)     35 (11.8)

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by drewcoo »

max_ wrote: post #4
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #3

12% of Asian American men smoke compared with 2.6% of women. So non smoking Asian women are more likely to live with a smoking man. Could second hand smoking exposure be a factor in this? https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-to...

There are Many things that cause lung cancer other than smoking. Infact majority of people that smoke don't get Cancer (only about 30% in a group of smokers get lung cancer) Edit: I don't mean it's comforting I prefer to have it at 0/10 I am just trying to say that things that cause cancer are not as deterministic as we think.

> There are Many things that cause lung cancer other than smoking.

Radon is the #2 cause of lung cancer in the US. There are high levels of radon in about 1/15 US homes.

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/risk_factors.htm

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by drewcoo »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
Pepe1vo wrote: post #42

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> Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever. That's, uh, quite a strong statement. What makes them worse than all the other humans?

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

> "the needs of the society/family are more important than those of the individual"

That's Spock from The Wrath of Khan, right?

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