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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by Zancarius »

max_ wrote: post #4
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #3

12% of Asian American men smoke compared with 2.6% of women. So non smoking Asian women are more likely to live with a smoking man. Could second hand smoking exposure be a factor in this? https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-to...

There are Many things that cause lung cancer other than smoking. Infact majority of people that smoke don't get Cancer (only about 30% in a group of smokers get lung cancer) Edit: I don't mean it's comforting I prefer to have it at 0/10 I am just trying to say that things that cause cancer are not as deterministic as we think.

I suspect part of this is because smokers, generally, don't always live long enough to actually get cancer, and statistically their year-over-year cancer risk drops to the same as the general population when they do quit.

However, COPD, once established, is irreversible.

My dad was a long time smoker and it was COPD that eventually got him. He battled it for years after he quit.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by Pepe1vo »

eBombzor wrote: post #11
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #3

12% of Asian American men smoke compared with 2.6% of women. So non smoking Asian women are more likely to live with a smoking man. Could second hand smoking exposure be a factor in this? https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-to...

Anecdotal but can confirm that my Asian dad smokes a pack a day, with the window open, and it pretty much permeates the apartment, and we've all had issues with lung health. There's no doubt in my mind this is a huge factor. Sidenote but I haven't missed my father since I left home. Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever.

> Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever.

That's, uh, quite a strong statement. What makes them worse than all the other humans?

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by darth_avocado »

lambdaba wrote: post #34
darth_avocado wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soybean oil is very common in most American deep fried food.

I know it's not very HN of me but I want to point out your username is highly relevant to the discussion.

I must admit, I cook all my food with Avocado oil. Unless EVOO can be used.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by Iulioh »

darth_avocado wrote: post #17
lambdaba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seed oils mainly, a factor of the lower smoke point. The only suitable plant oils in this regard are olive and coconut oil - which are fruit oils. [edit] seed oils r bad skeptics can just double check - the top 3 highest smoke point oils are all fruit oils, with seed oils at a distance - with the exception of peanut oil, which is closer. The smoke point is also not the only relevant factor, the fatty acid makeup is a…

Most seed oils have a higher smoking point, as compared to olive oil.

Depends on how refined

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by lambdaba »

gruez wrote: post #40
lambdaba wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soybean oil is mentioned in the study. A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized, the fact is these are not lindy at all, there is no tradition that would validate their safety, these are 20th century inventions.

>when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.

Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable.

To be clear, a segment of the online right-wing, I'm not saying literally half the population.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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ahepp wrote: post #16

A graph in the article is captioned: > A study of nearly 4,000 non-smoking women found that the share of Asian American women who developed lung cancer was more than twice that of white women. And then proceeds to list "53.4%" for Asian. Are we to believe that in a sample of "nearly 4,000 non-smoking women", over half of the Asian American women developed lung cancer? Elsewhere in the article it is said that > Among…

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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by ahepp »

x0x0 wrote: post #29
ahepp wrote: post #16

A graph in the article is captioned: > A study of nearly 4,000 non-smoking women found that the share of Asian American women who developed lung cancer was more than twice that of white women. And then proceeds to list "53.4%" for Asian. Are we to believe that in a sample of "nearly 4,000 non-smoking women", over half of the Asian American women developed lung cancer? Elsewhere in the article it is said that > Among…

I think what it means, and the graph is unclear, is that of the A-A women who developed lung cancer, 53% don't smoke. It's P(non-smoking | lung cancer, ethnicity)

I think your interpretation is correct, but I'm not convinced it's just a matter of ambiguity. It looks to me like the caption on the graph is stating something that simply isn't true.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by lambdaba »

darth_avocado wrote: post #43
lambdaba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's not very HN of me but I want to point out your username is highly relevant to the discussion.

I must admit, I cook all my food with Avocado oil. Unless EVOO can be used.

Understandable, it's delicious. It's great for salad seasonings too, but you're surely aware of that :P.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by jbverschoor »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #3

12% of Asian American men smoke compared with 2.6% of women. So non smoking Asian women are more likely to live with a smoking man. Could second hand smoking exposure be a factor in this? https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-to...

The number of people I met who say they don't smoke, but actually do...

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by mschuster91 »

Pepe1vo wrote: post #42
eBombzor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotal but can confirm that my Asian dad smokes a pack a day, with the window open, and it pretty much permeates the apartment, and we've all had issues with lung health. There's no doubt in my mind this is a huge factor. Sidenote but I haven't missed my father since I left home. Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever.

> Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever. That's, uh, quite a strong statement. What makes them worse than all the other humans?

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country).

I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what I hear(d) from friends from Asia, it's the "the needs of the society/family are more important than those of the individual" that they find the worst compared to the very individualist attitudes of Western countries.

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