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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by pertymcpert »

lambdaba wrote: post #12
enhancer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What type of cooking oil does that?

Seed oils mainly, a factor of the lower smoke point. The only suitable plant oils in this regard are olive and coconut oil - which are fruit oils. [edit] seed oils r bad skeptics can just double check - the top 3 highest smoke point oils are all fruit oils, with seed oils at a distance - with the exception of peanut oil, which is closer. The smoke point is also not the only relevant factor, the fatty acid makeup is a…

I don’t think that’s the cause, it’s more likely second hand smoke from Asian men who are atrocious smokers.

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Post by arrowsmith »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
Pepe1vo wrote: post #42

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> Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever. That's, uh, quite a strong statement. What makes them worse than all the other humans?

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Are "society-over-individual values" really such an obviously bad thing?

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Post by thrill »

darth_avocado wrote: post #43
lambdaba wrote: post #34

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I know it's not very HN of me but I want to point out your username is highly relevant to the discussion.

I must admit, I cook all my food with Avocado oil. Unless EVOO can be used.

Give Zero Acre fermented ("cultured") oil a try.

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Post by kingspact »

No, they're smoking behind their parents backs when they're young, and they're not telling their doctors, because Asian Americans, like many minorities, tend to patronize doctors of their own ethnicity and those doctors know their parents.

Start doing autopsies on them - oh wait that's forbidden in their culture.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by ahepp »

jncfhnb wrote: post #33
ahepp wrote: post #16

A graph in the article is captioned: > A study of nearly 4,000 non-smoking women found that the share of Asian American women who developed lung cancer was more than twice that of white women. And then proceeds to list "53.4%" for Asian. Are we to believe that in a sample of "nearly 4,000 non-smoking women", over half of the Asian American women developed lung cancer? Elsewhere in the article it is said that > Among…

It is saying that 53.4% of the non smoking women that developed cancer in the study were Asian. It is a dumb stat to chart without contextualizing that Asians were 15.92% of the entire study population. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8530225/table/T...

My interpretation of the underlying study is that 53.4% of the asian women who developed cancer in the study were nonsmokers, which I believe is subtly different from what you said.

But I think what NBC wrote on the graph is pretty unambiguous, that 53.4% of nonsmoking asian women in the study developed cancer. They titled the graph "Lung cancer among nonsmokers, by race" when it should really be "Nonsmoking among Lung Cancers, by race".

Or do you think between the title, caption, and data, their chart is presented in a way that can be argued is correct? It doesn't seem like it to me.

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Post by telchior »

arrowsmith wrote: post #62
mschuster91 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Are "society-over-individual values" really such an obviously bad thing?

"Society" in this context can also mean "a tiny number of primarily self-interested individuals". That tends to be evident when the most powerful or influential people also happen to be strict authoritarians.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by yieldcrv »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #3

12% of Asian American men smoke compared with 2.6% of women. So non smoking Asian women are more likely to live with a smoking man. Could second hand smoking exposure be a factor in this? https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-to...

Yeah but this should be the same increase in diagnosis amongst other non-smokers, or closer

My hypothesis would be environmental plus genetic, given that our east Asian phenotype population is small and consolidated to small areas of the country. NYC, Socal

Maybe we should look at increase in lung cancers in those areas specifically

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Post by jhoechtl »

arrowsmith wrote: post #62
mschuster91 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Are "society-over-individual values" really such an obviously bad thing?

Already had that copied to quote it now to see you already did that.

I think this item stands out in the enumeration and I honestly question if social behaviour over individualism is a bad thing.

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Post by ta_1138 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
Pepe1vo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional old Asian men are possibly the worst humans ever. That's, uh, quite a strong statement. What makes them worse than all the other humans?

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Individualism in western countries varies quite a bit. In cross-country scores, Spain has numbers far closer to the middle east than to the US, and then Peru is closer to China than to Spain!

So your invdidualism argument is only strong if by western, you mean the anglosphere, the Netherlands and Belgium.

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