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Accurate or not, the perception of someone being a Nazi made them punchable. It's not hard to argue people desiring to punch Nazis are probably not anti-Semetic.

Of course it's hard to argue that. Nazis are the great bogeymen right now, wanting to punch them might have little to do with feelings about Jews, and everything to do with just looking for an outlet to attack "the bad people" however defined. When we read historical cases of witch trials or executing "demons" or "possessed people", it's the same thing.

This goes back to the oppressors and the oppressed. In the case of Punching Nazis, the way I read it is the meme of the anti-fascist that punched Richard Spencer during an ABC interview in 2017[1][2]. The post-modernis in me also like to point out that before then Punching Nazis was endorsed by Steven Spielberg when he directed Harrison Ford to do that as Indiana Jones[3]. And—of course—the supreme glorifies of violence against Nazis Quentin Tarantino who doesn’t let a movie go by unless a Nazi, a rapist, KKK members, etc. get severely tortured, bombed, burned with flamethrowers, etc.

Back to 2017, Richard Spencer is an actually nazi. He is a white supremacist that routinely spouts hate speech against Jewish people. In the case of the ABC interview the oppressed were Jewish people, and the oppressor was Richard Spencer. The Anti-facist very much cared about the Jewish people when he punched Richard Spencer. If Richard Spencer weren’t an oppressor of Jewish People, he wouldn’t have gotten punched.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFh08JEKDYk

2: https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2017/jan/...

3: https://gizmodo.com/indiana-jones-punching-nazis-harrison-fo...

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Instead over 1 million of them are sent to concentration camps, abused and killed to harvest their organs. It's genocide eitherway. The issue isn't covered is really the difference here.

A million killed to harvest their organs? You sure about that? Or was that a rhetorical thing.

Can't find a reliable source right now but the report was from U.N's Gay McDougall

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Folks saying politics should get removed are effectively saying they're fine with the status quo. Its intellectually dishonest for people to not recognize this in themselves with that opinion. Everything we do is inherently political as we are operating in this political landscape. LGBTQ+ being welcomed in tech in the earlier days is partially what's responsible for the LGBTQ+ being somewhat welcomed in society in ge…

> Its intellectually dishonest for people to not recognize this in themselves with that opinion. Everything we do is inherently political as we are operating in this political landscape. This is how fundamentalists think, whether religious or political. Everything is somehow tied to their ideology and they want to push it everywhere. I wonder if they know how insufferable they are.

> Everything is somehow tied to their ideology and they want to push it everywhere.

That's not what I said. I said everything we do is fundamentally political.

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Profoundly disagree. Perhaps in rhetorical or philosophical contexts it may be relevant. But concerning questions of what constitutes acceptable workplace conduct, it is way off the page (and in my view, completely out of line).

Eh I get it. TBH I think this is a generational divide and we’ll have to agree to disagree.

It was relevant because it might explain Google's hesitancy to react to it.

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You're essentially discounting all major civil right movements as selfish, since all included an attempt to change the behavior of large institutions and companies to accommodate what began as a minority opinion.

False analogy. A company is not a country.

National City Lines (famously the operators of the bus Rosa Parks protested on) was a private company.

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James Damore was fired from Google[0] when he went out of his way to ensure his politics were to be kept private. What on earth did these people think would happen if they didn't attempt to keep their politics private? [0] https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/7/16111052/google-james-damo...

Didn't he write an open letter?

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There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?

All the same and more also re: Hamas. Who are the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. This fight is the same as trying to intervene in the drunk, abusive couple down the street’s fight of the day. As is 90% of anything in the Middle East. No one is ‘clean’, but some are more palatable than others in some contexts. And if G or others won’t do business with the ‘officially more palatable’ option (in this…

Are we really going to pretend there's symmetry in this conflict? Really?

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post #248

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All the same and more also re: Hamas. Who are the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. This fight is the same as trying to intervene in the drunk, abusive couple down the street’s fight of the day. As is 90% of anything in the Middle East. No one is ‘clean’, but some are more palatable than others in some contexts. And if G or others won’t do business with the ‘officially more palatable’ option (in this…

Are we really going to pretend there's symmetry in this conflict? Really?

Who says there is a symmetry in the abusive couple neighbors?

If you try to get involved, I guarantee you'll regret it either way. Ask any cop that's had to respond to a bunch of domestics.

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Israel didn't "move their troops into Gaza at will", not until this current war. After Israel's disengagement from Gaza, it had no soldiers in Gaza at all. It also doesn't "control Gaza's borders" alone, fwiw. > On the other hand of course Gazans do not enjoy Israel's constitutional protections, etc. Not sure what this is "on the other hand" of exactly. Palestinian's want self-determination, Gaza was an incomplete, o…

I don't think we are in any kind of deep disagreement here on the facts. * Gaza is a semi-autonomous area * local government in Gaza is much less LGBT-friendly than Israel's government. * Israel has no intention of changing Gaza's semi-autonomous status. But again my question is: given the above, how would an Israeli victory, no matter how complete, improve things for LGBT Palestinians?

You're right, I think we agree on the facts.

> But again my question is: given the above, how would an Israeli victory, no matter how complete, improve things for LGBT Palestinians?

Ah, I was confused why you asked this until I saw this is where the thread started (not by me).

No, you're right, an Israeli victory probably won't help improve things for LGBT Palestinians at all, unless Israel takes over Gaza entirely and starts running it according to more liberal laws. A very unlikely prospect.

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Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.

There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?

> How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?

Let me talk specifically about the "genocidal" aspect, because Apartheid is a separate topic.

If you're coming from a place of "of course Israel is committing genocide", I don't think it very likely that I'm going to convince you otherwise. That is the "default" narrative in many circles (just like the opposite narrative also exists in many circles). That said, I'll do my best to explain why I think that claims of genocide are very wrong.

> There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel.

First, there are for sure war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers. Every war crime should be condemned, investigated and prosecuted. Though I don't think there are hundreds of war crimes documented, at least not serious war crimes (serious as in causing bodily harm or death to someone).

That said, war crimes, while horrible, are an unfortunate reality that happens in almost every war. War crimes and genocide are separate things.

Genocide requires Israel intentionally trying to kill Gazans, or at least part of Gaza. That's a big accusation, and it isn't backed up, at all, by the actual actions of Israel. Israel maybe kills "too many" civilians for the amount of militants it kills (though even that is debateable), but it is targeting militants. It isn't going in there and purposefully killing civilians, for the most part, though horrible mistakes do happen all the time.

If you compare the amount of dead in Gaza to almost any modern war, there are far less dead in Gaza. And considering that Israel could do what other countries have done, which is intentionally kill civilians - the fact that there aren't more dead isn't a question of ability, but of will. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent civilians.

Most of the videos you cite are either the kinds of terrible things that happen in every war, or genuine war crimes (which do happen), or, as is often the case, an incident which looks different without having context. This is a war in an urban environment, in which Hamas is doing everything in its power to cause more Palestinian casualties, not less.

> Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF.

This is partially true, and I'm very angry at Israel for not allowing even more aid in. But aid isn't being bombed (except for mistakes, which do unfortunately happen). And it's not accurate to blanket say "aid is being held back" - Israel lets in hundreds of aid trucks every day.

I think Israel should do a lot more, don't get me wrong, but if your impression is that literally no aid is getting in, that's very very far from reality.

> There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media.

This is a story that's only a few days old. I don't think it's fair to draw conclusions on it just yet. The media has a terrible track record of taking claims against Israel at face value, only a few days later backing up the Israeli version, which often vindicates Israel. E.g. the infamous "hospital bombing" in which Israel killed 500 people, which after the fact turned out to be not even an Israel bomb, and only a few dozen died there anyway.

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