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I think your sarcasm antennas need some adjustment.
no I think its extremely infantile behaviour to use light sarcasm when discussing serious matters
So, in reality, sarcasm is actually a very grown-up thing to engage in. That doesn't necessarily mean one should.
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Israel didn't "move their troops into Gaza at will", not until this current war. After Israel's disengagement from Gaza, it had no soldiers in Gaza at all. It also doesn't "control Gaza's borders" alone, fwiw. > On the other hand of course Gazans do not enjoy Israel's constitutional protections, etc. Not sure what this is "on the other hand" of exactly. Palestinian's want self-determination, Gaza was an incomplete, o…
> who currently live in a place and culture in which homosexuals are ilterally thrown off rooftops You seem to be confusing Hamas with ISIS; yes, ISIS did that in Iraq and Syria; not aware that’s happened in Gaza, although there have been false claims to that effect - https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-people-thrown-roof-... Not denying that bad stuff happens to gay people in Gaza (such as extrajudicial honour…
(Btw, I wasn't "confusing" Hamas with ISIS, I was intentionally misled by that video. I usually try to fact check anything I post but obviously some things get through, so again, thanks for correcting me. I hate disinformation.)
> Not denying that bad stuff happens to gay people in Gaza (such as extrajudicial honour killings) but not aware that it happens like that
Yes, despite me getting this detail wrong, bad things really do happen to gay people in Gaza, as can be found in multiple places. Still, not quite that bad.
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Do you have any proof this is running on infrastructure and support of Google? I have to say I would be extremely surprised if Israel hosts intelligence data on GCP. Extremely surprised to a level I'd suspect high negligence on their part.
"High negligence" seems to has characterized the IDF response to the situation in Gaza at nearly every turn since Oct 7th. The point the protesters are making is not that there is hard proof in hand about any specific projects at this point - but that there is ample ground, their view, to demand positive clarification from these companies that these tools aren't being used to cause harm in the occupied territories. G…
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Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?
What counts as a war crime depends (among other factors) on the knowledge and intentions of the military commanders ordering the attack, and I don’t see how any of these videos or testimony can answer that.
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"High negligence" seems to has characterized the IDF response to the situation in Gaza at nearly every turn since Oct 7th. The point the protesters are making is not that there is hard proof in hand about any specific projects at this point - but that there is ample ground, their view, to demand positive clarification from these companies that these tools aren't being used to cause harm in the occupied territories. G…
okay so you don't have any proof, was just checking
This is quite clear if you follow the chain of my response to this thread, in the context of the question I was initially addressing.
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Arms manufacturers do not actually start wars. While I understand why some people may find that line of work not aligning with your morals, there isn't you can really change within the company
Right. My point is that if you don't find that Google aligns with your morals, simply don't work for them. If you do, you've already violated your morals. Protesting your own employer just proves that on top of having bad judgment, you also have no loyalty. Two good reasons to be fired.
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What I'm referring to is that Israel is both "in charge" and "not in charge" of Gaza. They control Gaza's borders and move their troops into Gaza at will. On the other hand of course Gazans do not enjoy Israel's constitutional protections, etc.
Israel didn't "move their troops into Gaza at will", not until this current war. After Israel's disengagement from Gaza, it had no soldiers in Gaza at all. It also doesn't "control Gaza's borders" alone, fwiw. > On the other hand of course Gazans do not enjoy Israel's constitutional protections, etc. Not sure what this is "on the other hand" of exactly. Palestinian's want self-determination, Gaza was an incomplete, o…
* Gaza is a semi-autonomous area
* local government in Gaza is much less LGBT-friendly than Israel's government.
* Israel has no intention of changing Gaza's semi-autonomous status.
But again my question is: given the above, how would an Israeli victory, no matter how complete, improve things for LGBT Palestinians?
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Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?
This fight is the same as trying to intervene in the drunk, abusive couple down the street’s fight of the day. As is 90% of anything in the Middle East.
No one is ‘clean’, but some are more palatable than others in some contexts. And if G or others won’t do business with the ‘officially more palatable’ option (in this case Israel, per the US gov’t), then it hurts their bottom line - which is also Google Employees bottom line.
And Google can’t ignore the US gov’t, due to both revenue and regulatory involvement, especially now.
If you’re looking for sainthood, non-profits are an option.
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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…
> I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. Just because there are anti-lgbt elements in Palestinian society and politics LGBT people wont be pro-genocide and side with Israel. The proposition defies description no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may…
I'd like to strip that sentence of the LGBT context, and point out that the general line of thinking (that there are legitimate reasons for wanting to kill a group of people's children) is actually popular enough to drive major policy. For example, given the historical record, Israeli society has been conditioned to be okay with murdered children and applying disproportionate and devastating force [0]. That state of mind is achieved through diverting the blame for one's atrocities entirely on the other party, and decrying their insanity and evilness for "making you do that" [2], as if one is not responsible for one's own actions, but is entirely reacting to another's action with no capability to alter course. Think this is far fetched and out of the line? There are 14000 children accounted for as dead as the result of current offensive that strongly suggest otherwise, and the killing is not even over yet.
Murdering children does not require an active war against a territory either [1]. It is simply how things are done in their society.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel...
[2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2014-07-28/ty-article/we...
Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is involved they behave pretty predictable.
I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…
Look for people talking about Europeans, Settler's (i.e) every Jew in Mandatory Palestine is a settler. People that ignore that the war that gained them the land was a final solution attempt and the only embarrassment (nabka) is the failure to succeed at taht