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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by waihtis »

mandmandam wrote: post #122
waihtis wrote: post #22

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Id be very happy if corporations stopped participating in any kind of politics altogether, including human rights discourse.

Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?

Nah I am just totally apathetic to the whole thing. I don't live there, it's not my war, it doesn't belong to me in any kind of context.

Same is true for 99% of the corps out there. They should focus on giving their employees a better living instead of political circus.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by racional »

gedy wrote: post #109
racional wrote: post #98

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Not just to "Israel" as a customer -- but at least part of the project has been earmarked to the IDF specifically (per documents obtained in a recent Time magazine investigation). That's a huge distinction, especially given what we now know about Project Lavender. And in itself is ample grounds to not to meekly ask, but to demand from Google that it provide clarification as whether the tools or services it is providi…

But afaik Lavender is an Israeli internal tool, not Google developed. I'm not arguing for Google or Israel here, just that people passionate about this aren't straightforward either.

"Developed by Israel, but with infrastructure and support from Google" is probably how they would put it.

Sounds perfectly straightforward actually.

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Post by robertlagrant »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #112
vlozko wrote: post #88

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It's mostly 2. The harder point to prove, though I think it's true, that much of the pro-Palestinian rhetoric is as much anti-Israel, i.e anti-Semetic. It's hard to discuss subjects like this without nuance so most of my observations/opinions tend to be around trends. But a good comparison could be Ukraine and Russia. Much of the US widely supports Ukraine's plight and fully believe that Russia is a belligerent, colo…

> The harder point to prove, though I think it's true, that much of the pro-Palestinian rhetoric is as much anti-Israel, i.e anti-Semetic. What? My view is totally different. Most of the pro-Palestinian people intersect with the same anti-fascists under fire from newly pro-Israel people that previously criticized anti-fascists for punching Nazis. When alt-right people defaced Jewish synagogues before this conflict I…

> that previously criticized anti-fascists for punching Nazis

For punching people they called Nazis.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by robertlagrant »

jhp123 wrote: post #128
dijit wrote: post #30

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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

great source lol Israel seems content to keep Palestine as a ghettoized territory, leaving local administrative matters to Palestinians. How will an Israeli victory, no matter how complete, lead to LGBT Palestinians gaining more rights?

> Israel seems content to keep Palestine as a ghettoized territory, leaving local administrative matters to Palestinians

I don't understand this. Are you saying that without Israel in charge, Palestine is and will stay a ghetto?

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by robertlagrant »

spencerflem wrote: post #106
ditton wrote: post #99

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Without getting into the Palestine/Israel part, something I feel strongly about but cannot phrase nicely in a pithy internet comment - I really think that for someone griping about ignoring nuance or deep analysis you are grossly mischaracterizing trans rights. Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces. You also ignore transmasc people who are equally oppressed by the ne…

> Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces.

I think this might have become a little motte and bailey. There's a whole gamut of people covered by the same rule, and not just people who genuinely have gender disphoria.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by spencerflem »

robertlagrant wrote: post #135
spencerflem wrote: post #106

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Without getting into the Palestine/Israel part, something I feel strongly about but cannot phrase nicely in a pithy internet comment - I really think that for someone griping about ignoring nuance or deep analysis you are grossly mischaracterizing trans rights. Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces. You also ignore transmasc people who are equally oppressed by the ne…

> Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces. I think this might have become a little motte and bailey. There's a whole gamut of people covered by the same rule, and not just people who genuinely have gender disphoria.

There is some nuance there! See my other comment- but I wish is was motte and bailey, that would mean that in general trans rights are respected and I can retreat into the motte of that.

But what's happening in Florida and elsewhere is oppression of any transness, including what you call "genuine". This sort of anti-all-trans ideology has a lot of support unfortunately. And a common tactic by this sort is to pick at only the controversial parts that are right wing talking points.

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Post by loeg »

aaa_aaa wrote: post #100
nailer wrote: post #94

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Which ones?

is netanyahu good for you? Maybe he underestimates a little. https://www.politico.eu/article/israels-netanyahu-says-he-wi... Also lancet says numbers are accurate. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... what is your evidence?

The figure attributed to Netanyahu in that article is a total of fighters and civilians -- not the "women and children" you claimed above. It's also a very rough estimate.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by aaomidi »

Google did nothing about Israeli co-workers at Google sending me messages such as "Do you support Hamas?" They targeted me because I +1ed a memegen post mourning civilians who have died in Gaza.

I'll even explicitly say this: They were on the search experience team.

Multiple of them were also managers. (Both Engineer Managers and Hiring Managers)

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Post by compsciphd »

snird wrote: post #70
bushbaba wrote: post #45

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^^^ this. Starting a war and losing it should have consequences. They tried to genocide the Jews in 1948 and lost. If there are no consequences for what they did - they'll just keep doing it until they'll be successful. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what Hamas said about Oct 7 - that they'll repeat it again and again.

If one views what is happening in Gaza as a genocide, then one has to admit that the Palestinians attempted (and succeeded) at genociding Jews multiple times previous to the creation of the state of Israel as well. Most notably the destruction of the Hebron Jewish community in 1929.

The common thread running through Palestinian nationalism from its inceptions is the desire for genocide (though we didn't have the term then) of Jews.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by jhp123 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #134
jhp123 wrote: post #128

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great source lol Israel seems content to keep Palestine as a ghettoized territory, leaving local administrative matters to Palestinians. How will an Israeli victory, no matter how complete, lead to LGBT Palestinians gaining more rights?

> Israel seems content to keep Palestine as a ghettoized territory, leaving local administrative matters to Palestinians I don't understand this. Are you saying that without Israel in charge, Palestine is and will stay a ghetto?

What I'm referring to is that Israel is both "in charge" and "not in charge" of Gaza. They control Gaza's borders and move their troops into Gaza at will. On the other hand of course Gazans do not enjoy Israel's constitutional protections, etc.
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