Kagi search has something similar, and quite functional.
DuckDuckGo AI Chat
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#112God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
This (DuckDuckGo AI Chat) is currently separate from search results, and in any case we plan to offer settings to turn off any AI search integrations, similarly for how we do for instant answers and ads.
I really like the way this has been added to the UI. It's off to the side so I can just use DDG as God intended if I want to, but also is distinct enough that I discovered it prior to seeing it on HN. It makes it clear this is done in a DDG private way (which is one of the things I'm wary about with ChatGPT on its own) and offers multiple models/vendors in one place.
Pretty good! Thumbs up from me.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
This feels like a corpspeak non answer to the serious question above. This move will increase operating costs by a considerable amount. Is the company sufficiently profitable that it can eat the loss or is this a gamble that culminates in a PE takeover? I get that duck duck go is in a tough position since LLM search is increasing popular among users, but without a business model that balances out this feels dubious.…
Yes, we are sufficiently profitable and have in fact been profitable for a decade. Our mission is to provide easy access to privacy, and offering things free where we can is key to doing that well. Additionally, we expect the forthcoming search integrations to end up at least break-even in any case.
At the moment there don't appear to be ads on the chat page. Is this something that will be coming so that chat can be monetised?
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#114God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
I just don't want to search the web. I have questions and I want answers- searching the web is an intermediate step, not the end solution. I have Question X and the answer isn't to surface "Blog Post Y"... it's the content of Blog Post Y I need, and only the subset of the content that answers my question, perhaps synthesized with the content of 5 other blog posts, a couple scientific papers and a recent press release…
Sometimes, often, I really just want to search the web. I just want to see what's out there! I have some vague ideas that I am trying to make more coherent and give sharper edges too, and I'm exploring the space those ideas fit into to see what others have done with them. Often I don't have a specific question in mind, and trying to frame my query as a coherent question will be limiting.
As another poster commented, don't take away my agency by trying to predict my intent! Better yet, don't try to force intent on me.
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#115I have been using DDG as my primary search engine for several years. Their search results is bad now. Not sure if it is deteriorating or it was always bad but I put up with it. DDG could have adopted the Kagi way, let users rank their result, or just genuinely improve the search result. And no, LLM won't help us as far as factual information is concerned.
Have you been using the feedback button, located (unfortunately) in the bottom right corner of the results page? I've been told they are read by actual humans
I'm with you that the results are sometimes just comically bad, but there are a lot of 80/20 products in my life, and they do offer the bangs to rerun the search on an alternate engine
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#116imho waste of engineering time…
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#117I tried this, and it seems like this is just raw AI chat, no search?
I do extremely like the Kagi fastgpt feature, which lets you end your search query with a question mark, and above the search results you'll get an AI answer, that is based on the content of the top 4-8 results.
It's very fast and provides citations to the links it used, so it feels quite trustworthy (or at least as trustworthy as the sources it cites), which means I often use the feature and am happy with the response I get.
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#118God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
This (DuckDuckGo AI Chat) is currently separate from search results, and in any case we plan to offer settings to turn off any AI search integrations, similarly for how we do for instant answers and ads.
If you could stuff all webpages to a vector database and give us a nice RAG that just responds to questions about anything that could be found on Internet while generating links to the source, that would be even awesomer!
Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat
#119God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
This (DuckDuckGo AI Chat) is currently separate from search results, and in any case we plan to offer settings to turn off any AI search integrations, similarly for how we do for instant answers and ads.
Why ddg is not focusing on improving or innovating the search ?
DDG dosen't even have lens/goggles yet . Can't ddg just try to innovate like marginalia/kagi/Occam.
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#120God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
I just don't want to search the web. I have questions and I want answers- searching the web is an intermediate step, not the end solution. I have Question X and the answer isn't to surface "Blog Post Y"... it's the content of Blog Post Y I need, and only the subset of the content that answers my question, perhaps synthesized with the content of 5 other blog posts, a couple scientific papers and a recent press release…
You're not wrong in terms of the average user's intent (they mostly don't care about the source, they care about the content), but I see this as an ethical gray area when search engines effectively offer up all this content created by bloggers without the need of the user to visit the site itself.
Phind tries to ameliorate this a bit by providing a set of links where the summarized data comes from, but most people likely won't even click on these links.
It's going to be rather demotivating when your site's traffic suddenly gets cut in half.