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Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#101

Post by bevekspldnw »

ziddoap wrote: post #84
bevekspldnw wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“A number of products” that make no real revenue other than driving users to…Bing ads. The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little.

> The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little. Goal posts are moving. You said DDG = Bing wrapper. Now you are saying DDG has low revenue products. The second could be true. The first isn't, which is why I said it was disingenuous.

I’m saying it’s not worth anything because it is a Bing wrapper. The other “products” are just to drive more traffic to Bing ads. There’s no there there.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#102

Post by bo1024 »

yegg wrote: post #71
littlestymaar wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My complaint isn't about more models in fact, it's about not depending on OpenAI (and not feeding them with data and money), so I would rather have less models (just llama3) rather than more

Duly noted. Open source / self-hosted models are on our radar.

I think this is a great start to make more private LLM use accessible. Excited for the possibilities of where this can go.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#103

Post by jantissler »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #98
doublerabbit wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That now costs $10 (Kagi) Complex AI for free, basic search for a fee!

I'm a current Kagi subscriber and agree the search is excellent. Unfortunately Kagi is also wasting their time on AI bullshit, so I suspect it's a short-lived oasis.

I became a Kagi subscriber mostly for the "AI bullshit", especially the Summarizer.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#104

Post by maltalex »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #81

God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.

> God damn it people. I just want to search the web.

Who's preventing you from doing that?

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#105

Post by a_c »

I have been using DDG as my primary search engine for several years. Their search results is bad now. Not sure if it is deteriorating or it was always bad but I put up with it. DDG could have adopted the Kagi way, let users rank their result, or just genuinely improve the search result. And no, LLM won't help us as far as factual information is concerned.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#106

Post by [deleted] »

bevekspldnw wrote: post #101
ziddoap wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little. Goal posts are moving. You said DDG = Bing wrapper. Now you are saying DDG has low revenue products. The second could be true. The first isn't, which is why I said it was disingenuous.

I’m saying it’s not worth anything because it is a Bing wrapper. The other “products” are just to drive more traffic to Bing ads. There’s no there there.

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Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#107

Post by margalabargala »

maltalex wrote: post #22
danpalmer wrote: post #5

What's the business model on this? GPT3.5 and Claude 1.2 aren't as expensive as other models, but they're not cheap. Is this going to get pulled later, monetised, etc? It's concerning in general to see so many companies throwing so much money at this without business models. The big names mostly have either premium tiers or paid API usage, that's fine, but DDG/Brave/BingChat/Arc/etc are all just giving away money, an…

It'll probably not be free forever. Access to the models could become part of their "Pro" offering - https://duckduckgo.com/pro

Honestly I doubt it.

Considering the speed at which models are improving, and more importantly, the speed at which models have begun improving per unit compute, I would bet that AI models at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5 will be free to use like this forever.

Right now there is so much interest/demand, and so much money sloshing around to provide it, that it's easy to find.

By the time the AI market cools off a little bit, I would expect that the cost to run a model meeting the current quality of ChatGPT 3.5 will be next-to-free.

Will near-state-of-the-art models be free forever? Absolutely not. But state-of-the-art circa late 2022 models are probably the quality basement, and free models will be at least that good.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#108

Post by flemishgun »

ein0p wrote: post #99
mostlysimilar wrote: post #81

God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.

A lot of the time you aren't searching for "web pages". You are searching for answers, to get to which you'd have to dig through piles of web pages for an hour. Technology already exists to give you a direct answer in 95% of the time (with references), it just results in fewer ads shown to you, so search engines aren't interested in integrating it properly.

This you-know-better-than-me mindset is why all technology is converging to garbage. I can't speak for OP, but for me, you are half correct: I am indeed ultimately searching for answers, but I want the piles of web pages for an hour, and that is how I will find my answer. I don't like it when systems remove my agency by believing they can correctly predict my intent. (They can't.)

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#109

Post by yegg »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #81

God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.

This (DuckDuckGo AI Chat) is currently separate from search results, and in any case we plan to offer settings to turn off any AI search integrations, similarly for how we do for instant answers and ads.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#110

Post by salad-tycoon »

panqueca wrote: post #62
maltalex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll probably not be free forever. Access to the models could become part of their "Pro" offering - https://duckduckgo.com/pro

I didn't know they have a "Pro" offer. I wish Kagi has something similar. It's quite expensive paying 10 bucks for search results only.

Yeah but we’re getting t shirts.
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