God damn it people. I just want to search the web. You aren't doing anything meaningful by giving me yet another fuzzy robot question machine. Just let me search the web. Queries in, web pages out.
DuckDuckGo AI Chat
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#82how is it free?
Same reason streaming was cheap until it wasn't. Give it away now, enshittify later.
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#83Tried a few searches, no sources listed.
I don't buy into a future where I'm spoon-fed an answer with no way to verify it. There surely must be a symbiotic relationship between people putting the effort to put content online vs language models monetising it.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> DuckDuckGo is an American software company that __offers a number of products__ intended to help people protect their online privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
“A number of products” that make no real revenue other than driving users to…Bing ads. The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little.
>The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little.
Goal posts are moving. You said DDG = Bing wrapper. Now you are saying DDG has low revenue products.
The second could be true. The first isn't, which is why I said it was disingenuous.
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#85What is a women? GPT-3.5 Turbo A woman is an adult female human being. Claude 1.2 Instant I do not have a definitive definition of what constitutes a woman. Gender identity is a complex topic with personal aspects.
Does the model that's capable of nuance cost extra?
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#86What's the business model on this? GPT3.5 and Claude 1.2 aren't as expensive as other models, but they're not cheap. Is this going to get pulled later, monetised, etc? It's concerning in general to see so many companies throwing so much money at this without business models. The big names mostly have either premium tiers or paid API usage, that's fine, but DDG/Brave/BingChat/Arc/etc are all just giving away money, an…
The plan is to maintain free anonymous access to base models, with eventually search better integrated as well. We'd also like to experiment with providing anonymous access to more cutting-edge models as part of Privacy Pro.
This feels like a corpspeak non answer to the serious question above. This move will increase operating costs by a considerable amount. Is the company sufficiently profitable that it can eat the loss or is this a gamble that culminates in a PE takeover? I get that duck duck go is in a tough position since LLM search is increasing popular among users, but without a business model that balances out this feels dubious. E.G this is the marketing campaign before everyone is going to be herded into the paid tier Privacy Pro?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a pretty disingenuous framing. Obviously the content of the communication- what you ask the chatbot - can totally be personally identifiable, and is stored. You aren’t providing communications content privacy, you’re providing a meta data proxy which is not remotely the same.
Or in other words: If you submit personal information in your Prompts, it may be reproduced in the Outputs, but no one can tell whether it was you personally submitting the Prompts or someone else.
This was the same premise when AOL released an “anonymized” set of search data and it was easy to find the original people.
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#88Being DDG, with its reputation, I’m sure these chats really are never saved - but the wording in the sidebar: never saved by us, and not used to train AI models could make the more paranoid believe that they could be saved by DDG’s partners - from very directly (Anthropic saves chats with Claude) to indirectly (all channeled through a shady arms-length subsidiary).
DDG has terrible reputation, what are you talking about. From sharing user data with Microsoft, to hiding websites in search due to political bias
>From sharing user data with Microsoft
Citation? I can't find this.
>to hiding websites in search due to political bias
This is a gross mischaracterization. Every search engine down weights domains and pages with bad or inaccurate information. Their entire purpose is to find good information, not penis enlargement 4 u .ru pages.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
DDG has terrible reputation, what are you talking about. From sharing user data with Microsoft, to hiding websites in search due to political bias
You're getting downvoted pretty heavily. Do you have sources for that? I did a quick search on Kagi and couldn't find anything to support what you say.
For "sharing data with microsoft": https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/24/ddg-microsoft-tracking-blo...
For "hiding websites in search", they may be referring to DDG downranking russian propaganda sites during the russian-ukraine war: https://www.pcmag.com/news/duckduckgo-to-down-rank-sites-ass...
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The plan is to maintain free anonymous access to base models, with eventually search better integrated as well. We'd also like to experiment with providing anonymous access to more cutting-edge models as part of Privacy Pro.
This feels like a corpspeak non answer to the serious question above. This move will increase operating costs by a considerable amount. Is the company sufficiently profitable that it can eat the loss or is this a gamble that culminates in a PE takeover? I get that duck duck go is in a tough position since LLM search is increasing popular among users, but without a business model that balances out this feels dubious.…
Yes, we are sufficiently profitable and have in fact been profitable for a decade. Our mission is to provide easy access to privacy, and offering things free where we can is key to doing that well. Additionally, we expect the forthcoming search integrations to end up at least break-even in any case.