I'm dismayed by the number of people who apparently don't subscribe to evidence-based medicine using proper statistical methodology and instead rely on anecdotal evidence whenever Covid comes up. It's very irrational, though some of this behavior can probably be explained by the extreme politicization of the topic in the US.
Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#152Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems to be the issue - we're trying to study COVID, which affected literally the whole population of earth at this point, and we have no control group of people who have not been affected. People have gotten older, have gone through mass societal change, and any other number of things in between.
Also in every study we need a control group. How do you know for sure that the control group didn't get COVID. For all I know there is no way to know for sure you haven't been infected or sick of Covid in those 4 years, it is not like testing has been very reliable.
> How do you know for sure that the control group didn't get COVID.
I dunno if that is relevant - it's the symptoms (brain inflammation[1]) that is hypothesised to correspond with lower cognitive function.
Even if you did have COVID, but didn't get brain inflammation[1], you can still serve as a control.
[1] I say "brain inflammation"; the exact mechanism is explained by a comment upthread.
Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK ONS data used to have the obvious flaw that people dropping dead 3 days after their first dose were defined as „unvaccinated“. In this regard, the significant uptick in deaths in summer 2021 in „unvaccinated“ looked interesting to say the least. How are they doing their definitions now? Could not find it. Meanwhile this new Dutch data looks quite interesting, maybe someone here would like to give it a shot: ht…
Rule number 1: don't argue with conspiracy theorists, they will come up with all sorts of nonsense. >„Fact checkers“ have been shown again and again to be politically biased up to active manipulation. Only people who always agree with the politics they want to push have not noticed at this point. Have they? Show me some of those manipulated fact checkers, please. With reputable sources, I'm not inclined to read bulls…
You seem to be really emotional about this. Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults, trampling onto what an obviously fascist authority teached them at the end of 2021 is „below them“ to elevate oneself. Ignorance of obvious data, sidelining.
By now I have seen enough actual data - and on top of that a lot of sad „anecdata“ in my direct surroundings - to pay attention at least. Given its prevalence I am sure you have seen the anecdata as well. Have you called someone who claimed to have a vax damage or who told you a relative died from the vax a „conspiracy theorist“ yet?
One good alternative point to start your journey in 2024 could be the US civilian labor force disability data. And no, I won’t waste time to search for that for you, given that you began your „response“ by attaching a label because it soothes you mentally. It has all been out there for long time and has been linked countless times.
The little section you got from google translating is a government-approved interpretation of this data. I have seen several others. You can download the data and fact-check for yourself.
Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#155> There are studies that have been done comparing people who had COVID-19, versus people who didn't, and then gave them cognitive testing to measure their ability to cognitively process information and test their IQ. And there's very clear differences in the IQ of people who had been infected with COVID-19 versus people who did not. Even mild COVID can give people about a three-point loss of IQ. Hasn't pretty much th…
I had no symptoms and was not tested for COVID. I have been testing my self regularly during pandemic, however not always with PCR.
Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Australia has a population of 26 million, longer life expectancy than the USofA, and comprehensive medical records going back many decades. With ~98% of the population COVID vaccinated multiple times any vaccine effects would stick out like dogs balls. If anyone wants to posit "vaccines cause { stupid | strokes | etc }" Then such correlations should be readily apparent in the before | after records of 26 million test…
Dont believe the 98% vax rate nonsense, in my circle of friends (including 4 doctors, 3 nurses) most got fake certificates. Dont be suprised that a bulk of the medical profession also did the same. I’m disappointed these professionals with very smart people just decided to bypass the mandates in order to keep their jobs instead of taking a firm stand for the benefit of society. Thats humanity for you. Lots of people…
Why should anyone believe your brand of nonsense instead though?
> most got fake certificates.
I got vaccinated for COVID in Australia multiple times and never once got a certificate .. my ID and the fact of vaccination were recorded in the medical database which is where the vaccination numbers come from.
How many of the 26 million Australians in toto can you demonstrate faked their vaccination status?
The least you can do (as an individual) is back up your bogus smelling anecdata.
Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it just never went away. She got covid 1.5 months after that jab so there’s no telling whether the jab or the covid was the key cause to her long-time postcovid. The covid infection itself wasn’t particularly heavy. We very much want to stay out of the “covid vacc…
I had four covid vaccines with no trouble whatsoever, but after catching covid for real, I was hospitalised for a night, slowly recovered, and then a few months later got the fatigue and brain fog. Now, 2 years later, I have recovered my physical fitness, but the brain fog remains. Different people respond to the vaccines and the real thing differently. But this is an anecdatum saying the vaccines were fine.
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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest
#158If this is true, you should expect results to be the same across countries, and the measurable drops in IQ should correlate to infection rates. Five bucks says you won't find that.
You should not assume that the effects of a disease are the same for all populations on the planet.
OP didn't assume it, they hypothesized about it and laid out a way to falsify the hypothesis.
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Seems like you had COVID.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, in that case, good that Australia isn't the only country in the world: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... which clearly shows that all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated. Here is a Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-exces...
Im not sure how anyone could still belive in factcheckers that claims previously that vaccination gives immunity to virus or that there are no side effects from vaccination even though we have plenty studies that monitor it quite precisely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39772059
And I'm not sure how anyone can be a conspiracy theorist and honestly believe that all governments and regulatory agencies all over the world try to hide some grand conspiracy about vaccine efficacy and safety, but here we are.
>vaccination gives immunity to virus or that there are no side effects from vaccination
Who claims that? Nobody does or did. This is a familiar tactic: shifting the goalposts from vaccinations have very rare side effects and do not guarantee one hundred percent immunity to complete immunity and no side effects at all. Rarely does a vaccine provide complete 100% immunity from a disease, in rare cases it does, e.g. Polio. Also nobody ever claimed that vaccines have no side effects, they are just very, very rare. So rare that the expected benefits far outweigh any risk of side effects.