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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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That's not exlusive to covid, but happens with all acute infections. It has long been known that the number of infections correlate with IQ loss. "People with five or more hospital contacts with infections had an IQ score of 9.44 lower than the average." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150521095016.h...

Permanent impairment or temporary? Brain cells / connections permanently gone forever, or a temporary loss of some nutrients in the brain that can be recovered later on?

Probably depends on the individual, whether the immune system is able to fully go back to baseline, or remains activated chronically.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Odd. I also felt that my memory is not as good as it was used to, and I experiences Doorway effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorway_effect ) more frequently in recent years compare to before. But I'm not really sure it was due to COVID or just simply being old (or due to been forced to live in a confined space for long period of time).

This seems to be the issue - we're trying to study COVID, which affected literally the whole population of earth at this point, and we have no control group of people who have not been affected. People have gotten older, have gone through mass societal change, and any other number of things in between.

Also in every study we need a control group. How do you know for sure that the control group didn't get COVID. For all I know there is no way to know for sure you haven't been infected or sick of Covid in those 4 years, it is not like testing has been very reliable.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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It's almost impossible to compare IQ tests across countries, because cognition test results are really only valid for people from the cultural context the test was written for.

If true, this seems quite damning for IQ as a metric. If the kilogram varied across countries, we would be in big trouble.

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Has she been vaccinated? How many times?

Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it just never went away. She got covid 1.5 months after that jab so there’s no telling whether the jab or the covid was the key cause to her long-time postcovid. The covid infection itself wasn’t particularly heavy. We very much want to stay out of the “covid vacc…

The earliest vaccines injected at tiny amount of the disease, from smallpox on. So she probably expected to feel like shit, and that's why she felt like shit.

However the covid vaccines did not have any covid in them. So there is no way she got a taste of covid shittyness.

Most traditional vaccines consist of either killed or weakened forms of a virus or bacterium. These provoke an immune response that allows the body to fight off the actual pathogen later on.

Instead of delivering a virus, RNA vaccines deliver genetic information that allows the body’s own cells to produce a viral protein which stimulate the immune system to mount a response, without posing any risk of infection.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

My girlfriend has pretty bad post-covid, the thing that helped her most was getting on Citalopram. There's suspicions that many SSRI's have a anti-inflammatory effect on the brain, which might be the mechanism. She's currently in oxygen therapy, we're positive about the effects but since it's dominating her life (and energy) at the moment it's hard to say what the effect is.

SSRIs have some nasty side effects though, including sexual dysfunction.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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If this is true, you should expect results to be the same across countries, and the measurable drops in IQ should correlate to infection rates. Five bucks says you won't find that.

Five $ isn’t very much.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Neuroinflammation is a poorly studied area and one likely cause of brain fog and mecfs/long covid symptoms. Jarred Younger [1] is a researcher studying this and has a youtube channel [2] where he discusses his latest work. If you're interested in this it's worth watching! Also please ignore anyone that posts 'oh its just X' or 'just do X', whatever X may be. This is a complicated medical mystery that millions of pati…

Wasn't there a paper that proposed the idea that long Covid is actual replicating virus that replicates in very low numbers.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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I had similar symptoms. In my case it was just a vitimin D deficiency caused by working from home. I don't doubt some people have suffered neurological damage, but I wouldn't be surprised if many are suffering the same as I was.

Are you working in the cellar at home? Why would you have less vitamin D working from home than say, an office?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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I feel like this is a messaging roll out? https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/faustfiles/109672 -- an interview from 2 days ago where the NIH leader says covid is persistent for months or years in people and the MD interviewer did a double take. Not sure why there's a shift happening, maybe some new publication? This has been shaping up for years now.

The relevant bit of transcript:

Faust: I just want to follow up on something you said a moment ago about where this virus can be found in tissues. Are you suggesting that long COVID is actually, the mechanism of that, is persistent live virus in humans?

Bertagnolli: We see evidence of persistent live virus in humans in various tissue reservoirs, including surrounding nerves, the brain, the GI [gastrointestinal] tract, to the lung.

Faust: OK. And you're saying this goes beyond the PCR's [polymerase chain reaction test] ability to get it in a regular swab so that we are missing chronic cases of SARS‑CoV‑2?

Bertagnolli: Correct. The virus can persist in tissues for months, perhaps even years.

Faust: OK. I think that's certainly one theory, but I'm not sure that that's settled. Is that fair? I mean, there's one thing between people who are autopsy, they died of viral sepsis, as opposed to people walking around. Is there a distinction there?

Bertagnolli: Our emerging data shows that the virus can persist into tissues in the long term, and I think that's really critical because it does help us think about possible ways to combat it, one being better antivirals. I think there's a lot of focus on developing new antivirals as a possible way of preventing long COVID, and the other might be more aggressive treatment with antiviral therapy upon initial diagnosis.

Faust: If that's the case, then it could be reactivated just like herpes is and shingles. Are we going to start seeing people get COVID not from infection, but from themselves in reactivation?

Bertagnolli: I don't believe I've seen or heard of any instance of that, and I don't think you can ever assume that one virus is going to act like another. Certainly every virus that we know of seems to have a different effect in the body long term.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

That's why the most important element in science is replication - direct (repeating the same experiment) and indirect (refining the original experiment, or testing for the opposite result, or an alternative - here we could test reflexes instead of IQ).

And here there is already a lot of replication for several years - plus direct observation of bleeding into the brain.

https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2024/trinity-team-di...

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