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Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by K0balt »

jnk345u8dfg9hjk wrote: post #78
andy_ppp wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny, this is the sort of harshness and absolute certainty Jen would have come out with. Nothing is certain but my opinion given the outcome is that it definitely did not help.

It's an objective comment on your subjective opinion of an N=1 result. You are free to share your opinion (and I may even be inclined to agree with you) but it holds no scientific value. Sorry for your loss.

N=1 is perfectly relevant to an individual occurrence when the N and the event in question are one and the same. If I kill myself with a hammer n=1 hammers were fatal to use in my case. I don’t see anyone asserting that this means that broadly ayahuasca is dangerous or claiming scientific relevancy.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by K0balt »

jajko wrote: post #63
andy_ppp wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny, this is the sort of harshness and absolute certainty Jen would have come out with. Nothing is certain but my opinion given the outcome is that it definitely did not help.

Psychedelics are extremely strong experience, ayahuasca is supposed to be the strongest. If you have anything broken in your personality, it will come up. Thats why at least initially it should be screened and if OK handled by professionals who can lead, guide or stop the experience if needed. I've seen lifelong schizophrenia triggered by nothing more than a bit of binge drinking. For some people it takes trauma to t…

If you shake up a box of poorly packed stemware, you’re going to get some breakage.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by PedroBatista »

skissane wrote: post #72
cupcake-unicorn wrote: post #40

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Sure, but if that's what's going on, it should be researched further and taken seriously during prescribing. 100% guarantee that when psychedelics hit the market, doctors will fall prey to overstating the harms from studies like this while turning a blind eye to the wealth of evidence of greater likelihood of harms in prescriptions they churn out without blinking an eye. I'm not anti medication, and I'm not saying th…

> Sure, but if that's what's going on, it should be researched further and taken seriously during prescribing. Well I mean, it is, at least to some extent. The FDA has officially put a "black box" warning on antidepressants that they can increase the risk of suicide, especially in the young, and so have its counterpart agencies in several other countries. All doctors know about it – whether they all take that risk se…

Seems like a pretty good system as letting doctors prescribe “psychedelics” can mean everything under the Sun.

Also the training and approval is paramount, they are doctors not magicians and many don’t even have a good understanding of nutrition let alone this type of drugs.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by fragmede »

tivert wrote: post #21
fragmede wrote: post #20

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which tbh isn't fair to the doctors and lawyer who also suffer from the disease

> which tbh isn't fair to the doctors and lawyer who also suffer from the disease Even if that's the case, I think framing it as "Engineer's Disease" is pretty critical for HN, which at times can become a literal orgy of it. Also, SV culture amplifies Engineer's Disease into a destructive force only rivaled by its counterpart in finance. Doctors and lawyers who suffer from something similar are far more limited in th…

Doctors and lawyers can become programmers far more easily than programmers can become doctors and lawyers though, so though the SV amplification is real, doctors and lawyers can also wreak havoc outside their discipline.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by mistermann »

rdtsc wrote: post #38

It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

> I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

Some people say if you keep up to date on global news, the opposite may be even more true.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by mistermann »

holoduke wrote: post #45
rdtsc wrote: post #38

It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

An illusive broken firmware it is. Better stay sober. Also when learning new things being sober is better. You wont get your phd using drugs. You wont get your brains to a new state using drugs. You maybe think you do, but thats a illusional defect of your brains when using drugs. Stay sober.

Is the omniscience pure rationalists experience on vanilla consciousness genuine?

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by mistermann »

jrflowers wrote: post #31
yieldcrv wrote: post #27

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using anyone as a source for side effects is a dumb standard and we should reach parity with how other drugs are studied just like this study is trying to chisel at while psychedelic communities are uniquely dismissive

Exactly! People that say that they’ve benefited from psychedelics are uniquely dismissive and people that say that those people form a uniquely dismissive community that should be distrusted are not uniquely dismissive

At least there's one thing everyone can agree on: what seems to be true is true.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by exodust »

int_19h wrote: post #54
exodust wrote: post #8

Interesting that OCD is the winning disorder, with zero negative responders. Recalling my mushroom days.... Okay, I think I get it. Psychedelic experience is, in part, about embracing the beautiful chaos of the universe. Surrendering to the charms of free-flowing wild information at scale so huge there's no chance of imposing your own orderly corrections - as you might in normal every day life via OCD. That's my armc…

My subjective take is the opposite - psychedelics make you see order (patterns) emerge out of seeming chaos pretty much everywhere you look.

Yeh the infinite latticework does reveal a kind of order, I know what you mean. Perhaps it calms the OCD person seeing all those patterns.

Although while under the influence of psychedelics you're unlikely to arrange your sock drawer with compulsive order. You're more likely to free the socks from captivity.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by fakeart »

rdtsc wrote: post #38

It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

They say such things of travel too. “It will forever change how you see the world, international travel.”

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Post by herbst »

rumdonut wrote: post #58
rdtsc wrote: post #38

It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

I agree as someone who was previously excited about the idea. Although to be honest, I think people overstate the changes. They did not last. Lots of salesmen in this industry like any other.

You can't pop a trip, go to a music festival and except a new mindset. You can however use these tools to deeply connect with yourself and this is where life altering experiences happen.
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