> Signed by "The Occupiers", the notice ... claimed any attempt to enter the premises without their permission was a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence or fine. This is insane that squatting is not a criminal offense and that they can even argue that forceful eviction by the owner would be a criminal offense
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#32> Signed by "The Occupiers", the notice ... claimed any attempt to enter the premises without their permission was a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence or fine. This is insane that squatting is not a criminal offense and that they can even argue that forceful eviction by the owner would be a criminal offense
No. Clearly a civil case.
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#33But the property seems to have been empty for years. It's hard for me to be sympathetic to the right to leave a property completely vacant and unused.
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#34> Signed by "The Occupiers", the notice ... claimed any attempt to enter the premises without their permission was a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence or fine. This is insane that squatting is not a criminal offense and that they can even argue that forceful eviction by the owner would be a criminal offense
It is by no means insane, especially if you consider the broader legal status. It's illegal to break into places, and it's illegal to occupy people's homes. What is called squatting refers to occupying empty/abandoned places, and it would be insane to make that a criminal offense.
Now that the squatters are there and apparently can only be dealt with through a civil lawsuit, the odds of someone wanting to buy the property are presumably much lower, so it's going to remain abandoned and unused for much longer than it otherwise would. How is that a favorable outcome for the community?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is by no means insane, especially if you consider the broader legal status. It's illegal to break into places, and it's illegal to occupy people's homes. What is called squatting refers to occupying empty/abandoned places, and it would be insane to make that a criminal offense.
You mean that if I have a place and leave it empty for any reason, then it can be squatted, and this is perfectly legal? If yes, this is unbelievable and insane, yes.
Such difference exists for a reason, as a balance against an absolute power of owners which drives the number of homeless people up as we can see in certain areas. Take for example the netherlands. It was very common and well regarded to squat for a while, and the homeless population was very low. Now that squatting has been outlawed, both homeless and empty dwellings have gone up. There was some public study on the topic a while back: https://en.squat.net/2016/05/27/netherlands-housing-crisis/
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is by no means insane, especially if you consider the broader legal status. It's illegal to break into places, and it's illegal to occupy people's homes. What is called squatting refers to occupying empty/abandoned places, and it would be insane to make that a criminal offense.
You mean that if I have a place and leave it empty for any reason, then it can be squatted, and this is perfectly legal? If yes, this is unbelievable and insane, yes.
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#37Lots of comments here complaining about the fact that squatting is allowed. But the property seems to have been empty for years. It's hard for me to be sympathetic to the right to leave a property completely vacant and unused.
https://whatpub.com/pubs/NLD/5989/york-albany-london
The squatters seem to have taken possession less than a month after it was closed.
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#38Property law is abysmal in the UK, the fact that the squatters stuck up a sign on the wall naming their rights to occupy, just shows what a joke it is. I dont agree with property being left empty, but there is due process to these things, and the average worker has to suffer through all of it to even get one home. If no one is buying at the current price then thats the market saying the fair price is lower, and perha…
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#39If property isn't protected by laws and citizens aren't left with any recourse, the results will be ugly.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is by no means insane, especially if you consider the broader legal status. It's illegal to break into places, and it's illegal to occupy people's homes. What is called squatting refers to occupying empty/abandoned places, and it would be insane to make that a criminal offense.
Trespassing is a criminal offense, right?