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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #158

> “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs]” At that point I had to scroll back up to check whether this was just a really twisted April's Fools joke.

>> “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs]”

expensive relative to what? a single rifle bullet? jdam kits are not expensive, easy to manufacturer, and there's plenty of 500lb dumb bombs lying around. If a country has access to precision guided bomb tech then I'd say the should be obligated to use it for bombing exclusively.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #164

Accepting technological barbarism is a choice. Among engineers there should be a broad refusal to work on such systems and a blacklist for those who do.

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No, the "other option" is to realize that keeping people in what is effectively little more than a concentration camp with no hope of perspective or solution can only end in violence. Especially if you also start shooting the peaceful protestors like they did a few years ago. And then the government goes in to bed with the most extreme of extreme religious Zionists who quite literally support ethnic cleansing and murder.

That is not a justification or a moral judgement, it's just a fact that this will happen. This is what has always happened throughout history. To deny it is to deny reality.

Something Oct-7 shaped was bound to happen. You can't kick people in the face for 50 years, give no perspective for improvement, kick them harder in the face when they object, and expect all of them to forever turn the other cheek and have carefully nuanced opinions on the matter. That's just not how people work.

Current actions are not just killing Palestinians, it's also killing (future) Israeli. A new Oct-7 shaped event is bound to happen again if the current course is followed.

None of this is rocket science. None of this is a novel insight. People have been saying this for decades (have we forgotten the previous events like the intifada, the wide-spread protests 5 years ago, etc. etc.)? Some people were seemingly born on the morning of Oct 7 or something.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With 37,000 Palestinians marked as suspected militants, it would mean they expected up to 555,000 - 740,000 civilian casualties.

How did you arrive at these numbers?

Not GP but:

> Lavender listed as many as 37,000 Palestinian men

> they were permitted to kill 15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes

37000 * 15 = 555000 37000 * 20 = 740000

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the US dropped napalm indecriminately over the vietnamese jungle or absolutely leveled dresden in one bombing run or unleashed nuclear hellfire over japan, they probably killed a lot of journalists and doctors and food workers as well. Interestingly, western media did not beat itself into a frenzy over it at the time. Its easy to get cynical about it all seeing how easily narratives are manufactured and controll…

> Interestingly, western media did not beat itself into a frenzy over it at the time Western mainstream media has been very passive when covering the current situation in gaza, especially when you contrast it with how they covered the war in ukraine just 2 yrs ago. Its just that social media has allowed people to break through the canned media narratives.

> Western mainstream media has been very passive when covering the current situation in gaza

Just FYI, all the examples I mentioned I read on our public broadcaster's website.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It hasn't before. They've bombed whole UN compounds, killed US and Canadian citizens, etc. and suffered no consequences.

Remember the first hospital Israel bombed and then claimed it wasn't them? Since that didn't result in any consequences, now Israel bombs hospitals nearly every day. Same story with the flour massacre.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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I'm reminded of [1] a recent Palantir promotional video [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEM5qz__HOU

The IDF uses Palantir’s technology, and Palantir is outspoken about its support for the state of Israel:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-10/palantir-...

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/13/palantir-ceo-says-outspoken-...

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Israel's evil keeps taking me by surprise. I guess when people go down the path of dehumanization there are truly no limits to what they are ready to do. But what is even sadder is that the supposedly morally superior western world is entirely bribed and blackmailed to stand behind Israel. And then you have countries like Germany where you get thrown in jail for being upset at Israel.

It's been pretty clear to me for a while now that Israel's long term plan for the Palestinians is to expel them all. Starvation isnt a requirement for that, but it is probably the path of least resistance. I will say that its happening a lot faster than I expected though, Israel definitely taking advantage of the situation here.

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Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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post #368

Accepting technological barbarism is a choice. Among engineers there should be a broad refusal to work on such systems and a blacklist for those who do.

Not trying to be flippant, I'm genuinely curious. If everyone was as honorable as you and decided to stop working for the military industrial complex - do you think China and Russia would just sit back and say "That's cool - we didn't want Americas land/resources/overseas territories anyway" ?

isn't this somewhat fallacious logic?
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