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Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

nixgeek wrote: post #78
ChumpGPT wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I don’t think either had an EV option suiting my needs when we bought a Model X? Meaning able to seat 6-7 humans and ~300 miles of range in the battery pack? Do they even have a viable option today? (I’m unaware how the Lexus electrification is going.)

Forget Toyota/Lexus, that's a bit of a red herring - the point is that there was literally no competition for Tesla in three-row electric vehicles when you bought yours.

Now, you have the choice of a Mercedes-Benz EQB or EQS, a Rivian R1S (as you chose) or a Kia EV9 with Lucid, Hyundai and VW all with products about to enter the market.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

afavour wrote: post #27
alkibiades wrote: post #17

top down government technology mandates never work. the early adopters and rich california folks all already have EVs. normal people don’t want them toyota was right and that’s why i got their hybrid vehicle instead of an EV

I’m a “normal person” and I’d love one. But they’re too expensive and the charging situation near me isn’t great.

It sounds like you like the idea of EVs but not the reality. I'm in the same boat; it's a cool technology, just not currently very practical for my situation. Maybe future technology and infrastructure improvements will change that someday, but we aren't there yet, at least not for me.

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Post by mschuster91 »

silverquiet wrote: post #133
dralley wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His behavior isn't the only Howard Hughes callback. The entire Cybertruck project screams it.

I didn't think about the parallel to the Spruce Goose, but it's a fair comparison. Honestly, it seems to happen to a lot of megalomaniac, ivory-tower type creators - the urge to build something to top their last creation (and for all his faults, Elon does have some really impressive creations behind him). The other example that jumps to mind is George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels.

> The other example that jumps to mind is George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels.

These were by far not as bad as some people tend to paint them, the problem with the Star Wars prequels IMHO was more that the "old guard" fanbase tends to be quite the whiny bunch.

The sequels are another topic entirely - these were corporate driven projects which isn't a bad sign per se (see the MCU), but unlike the MCU there wasn't a central person like Kevin Feige who actually took care about a cohesive storyline, directors and script writers kept changing, and the SW universe unlike Star Trek or MCU doesn't have a concept of multiple/alternate realities or time travel so a ton of lore went down the drain for nothing.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by jerlam »

foobarian wrote: post #18

Maybe we're getting to saturation in early adopter market? Looking around, there are a lot of folks who could not easily live with a BEV, i.e. live in apartment buildings or don't have an easy way to install L2 charging at home.

Even people for whom home charging is not an issue aren't going to abandon their existing gas cars to get an EV that performs the exact same function for a lot more money. Having an EV is not transformational.

Even with a $7,500 discount, there's still a wide gap between the value of the ten-year old gas car in the driveway and the cost of a brand new EV. Not going to a gas station is just not that beneficial to most.

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Post by cma »

ein0p wrote: post #126
rvnx wrote: post #58

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The technological gap is tightening, Tesla was alone before, the same way that Nvidia is "alone" for now. Tesla still has some advance in terms of autopilot (in the US), but for all other things, it's an electric car with a great software but a rather low-quality hardware finish if to compare with other brands like Mercedes.

It also has much better range than the Mercedes, accelerates faster, costs nearly half as much, and can use Superchargers. I can forgive the slightly less fancy "finish" for all that.

When Tesla gets tight for money they raise the Supercharger price to more than gas, it happened once around 2018 during a cash crunch.

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Post by mikestew »

leetharris wrote: post #99
coldpie wrote: post #63

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Yeah. Ten years ago it was the cool, new brand. Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace. I'm looking to buy a Hyundai later this year.

> Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace. Drug addict? You mean his ketamine for depression? And when you buy a car are you "representing" the CEO's views? What are the CEO of Hyundai's personal beliefs? Do you even know?

What are the CEO of Hyundai's personal beliefs? Do you even know?

Unlike Musk, the CEO of Hyundai doesn't go out of their way to make sure I'm aware of their opinions. I don't even know the name of Hyundai's CEO, and we bought an Ioniq 5 last year. One might argue such a dichotomy is one of the reasons we didn't buy a Tesla (well, that and the crap build quality).

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Post by vishalontheline »

monitron wrote: post #113
hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

Yep. I am a current Tesla Model 3 owner, really like my car, but plan to switch to another brand after running this one into the ground. Elon's behavior is awful and dangerous given his fame/money, and luckily, unlike in 2017, there are now other good EV options which are getting better all the time.

> after running this one into the ground

Oh, come on. Don't wait another 25 years! /s

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

dragontamer wrote: post #75
ChumpGPT wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I'm a big fan of Toyota Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime. (High efficiency vehicles, Prius Prime is #1 most green car of ACEEE list, etc. etc.). But people buying Tesla aren't aligned to Toyota. But a better match to culture is likely Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Incredible offroading performance, reasonable towing capacity, large size / in-your-face advertising to some extent. And electrified, so that your daily commute is efficien…

Naw, I and many people probably cross shopped Toyota's Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime with the Tesla Model Y. As of last fall and early this year, both models were barely to be found in Northern Virginia, and if you could find one within hours of where I live they were under huge dealership-fuckery with options and markups.

When I finally was able to test drive a standard 2023 Prius, I decided its cargo space was way too small for what I was looking for. When test driving a Rav4 (not Prime) I decided its visibility (for me, maybe this is highly personal) was absolutely terrible compared to the Model Y. Model Y prices were VERY competitive compared to Rav4 Primes anyway, so that's what I went with. I've been very happy with it.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by qwerpy »

hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

This seems to be the case for some online communities, but in my offline circles (Asians working in tech in the PNW) no one seems to care. Driving on the street it seems every other car is a Tesla, and by and large everyone is pretty happy with them. I wouldn't say we're particularly pro-Tesla either, it's just that they were the best cars for the money at the time.

As more car manufacturers start to deliver good EVs, I think you'll start to see more variety in the EVs on the road. For example my next car after the cybertruck could be a Rivian or an electric van, if someone finally decides to make one.

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