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Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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> or a global shipping service, or some SaaS app on the ethereum blockchain, then my customers will have to pay more or less (or my costs will be higher or lower) depending on how active the network is. Only if you want to have these applications fully running on the base layer, which is frankly nonsense. To give you one practical example: Storj can provide a object storage service at AWS scale, and its pricing has n…

Does Storj use a blockchain at all? It just looks like cloud storage, denominated in dollars.

For the consumer, yes, but for those running the storage nodes, there is some blockchain stuff.

- storage nodes getting audits and the results being stored in a smart contract.

- calculation of payouts.

- payouts to storage nodes with their token.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Great, yeah are you going to move off the permissions blockchain to just permissioned smart contracts on a public blockchain? Capital formation has been occurring this way for at least 12 years on public blockchains. Satoshidice was one of the first companies and its shareholders created a vibrant secondary market onchain. They did dividends daily and it always went out to every shareholder daily. What happens now is…

>yeah are you going to move off the permissions blockchain to just permissioned smart contracts on a public blockchain? Perhaps for clearing - ownership wise I think it stays permissioned - no investor wants to loose the wallet and not be able to recover their asset. >One day DTCC and FINRA and the Fed will conform it to their redundant processes so that registered securities can do the same, using the same public ut…

smart contracts on public blockchains can handle all those custodial aspects

the smart contracts can be permissioned and have multiple signers and beneficiaries and payable on death conditions, the oracles and admins can be multi signer accounts too

I’m just trying to figure out what false dilemmas you are operating under, the examples already exist

You’re the advocate, in your world, but seemingly stuck in their myriad of concerns that are based on incomplete information

reminds me of how the substitute meat is repulsive to omnivores and vegans alike. hyperledger vibes

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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> Basically, Ethereum is no longer just a financial ecosystem. It's a full-stack replacement for large parts of "centralized tech", and even provides some things that centralized tech does not (eg. governance-related applications). And we need to build with this broader ecosystem in mind. I have respect for ethereum. It seems like one of the few cryptocurrency projects actually trying to push those ideas as far as th…

For businesses, doing the same thing for transactions between businesses that ERP systems did for internal transactions. Right now there's a lot of cumbersome and expensive mutual auditing, and nobody wants to put it all on a centralized third-party database because inevitably the third party will charge a lot of money once they're hard to replace.

Paul Brody is head of the Ethereum effort at EY, and wrote a book about this called Ethereum for Business. He includes a lot of specific examples. As Vitalik mentioned in the article, most of it is waiting for scaling.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Given that we are now entering another crypto hype cycle and blockchain technology, discussions often veer towards crypto and the allure of embedded tokens. I’m going to stick to the realty and opportunity: utilizing blockchain in fixed income finance. Having spent two decades navigating the complexities of Wall Street, I know the critical problem plaguing the fixed income market: the overwhelming amount of data gene…

Could the brokered CDs be a retail purchase?

Definitely - I see no reason why the retail can't negotiate the best rate with the banks directly.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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hence origination - bad data can be fixed. try calling 30 different vendors and rely on downloading the file to run the M2M night-cycle

Basically, you're lacking a platform that brings all those things together. What blockchains may give you is a slow append-only log, which is a very minor part of that platform. And making everyone move to that platform is a much bigger challenge :)

that's been the journey - but signed the biggest market and about to launch the brokered CD market

Speed or throughput is not a challenge for origination - no one is mining a Bitcoin here!

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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>yeah are you going to move off the permissions blockchain to just permissioned smart contracts on a public blockchain? Perhaps for clearing - ownership wise I think it stays permissioned - no investor wants to loose the wallet and not be able to recover their asset. >One day DTCC and FINRA and the Fed will conform it to their redundant processes so that registered securities can do the same, using the same public ut…

smart contracts on public blockchains can handle all those custodial aspects the smart contracts can be permissioned and have multiple signers and beneficiaries and payable on death conditions, the oracles and admins can be multi signer accounts too I’m just trying to figure out what false dilemmas you are operating under, the examples already exist You’re the advocate, in your world, but seemingly stuck in their myr…

as an omnivores I'm definitely not averse substitute meat. At times it's better if lathered with sauce..

define "their" myriad concern? this is not moving from a self managed data center to a cloud server.

And curious what you think is the challenge with hyperleder other than it hasn't been pumped up by the VC's like SOL and others..

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Because Amazon and eBay aren't small independent sites. Those stored payment methods and user trust are quite valuable to both.

The joke just wooshed past you :)

No, you miss the point.

It's a high barrier for users to pay online. That's why they don't pay $1 on a whim on a small site, even if it offers something they like.

Paying online is more like a marriage these days. You pray that the other side will not disappoint you and then you jump in.

That's why big popular sites with brand names worth billions gobble up unproportional more paying users.

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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Interesting. Reading through the page, that sounds super complicated though. Couldn't the podcasts simply put a lightning invoice (Which is just a string of text I guess?) on their website with a text like "Support us via Lightning: 1f73ac220b9..."?

A lot of the work with Podcasting 2.0 is moving things into apps like Fountain or Castamatic. By all accounts, people are way way more likely to engage if they don't have to leave their app. There's crypto-less features that Podcasting 2.0 adds like livestream notifications and transcriptions. Apple actually just added transcriptions to their app officially!

What's wrong about the web for listening to podcasts? Why do I need an app?

And couldn't the "Support us via lightning: 1f73ac220b9..." link have a protocol like "lightning://" prefixed, so when the users clicks it, their preferred payment method pops up?

Re: Ethereum has blobs. Where do we go from here?

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smart contracts on public blockchains can handle all those custodial aspects the smart contracts can be permissioned and have multiple signers and beneficiaries and payable on death conditions, the oracles and admins can be multi signer accounts too I’m just trying to figure out what false dilemmas you are operating under, the examples already exist You’re the advocate, in your world, but seemingly stuck in their myr…

as an omnivores I'm definitely not averse substitute meat. At times it's better if lathered with sauce.. define "their" myriad concern? this is not moving from a self managed data center to a cloud server. And curious what you think is the challenge with hyperleder other than it hasn't been pumped up by the VC's like SOL and others..

the challenge with hyperledger is that there you can run unlimited arbitrary executions of any computational time, but have to run all other nodes’ arbitrary executions of any computational time, so the whole network is DDOSing each other with these stupidly expensive computations all for the sake of saying “blockchain without crypto!”

as if the crypto didn't serve the specific purpose of putting a cost on computational transactions, creating limited block space, so that people wouldn't do expensive computations

it doesn’t solve any problem that blockchain set out to solve, its nice that you found a way to have a shared google spreadsheet with macros without having to debate over whose account made the doc or organization, but its not a technological improvement that presents a novel alternative to a fungible data writing credit that crypto is, the only improvement is catering to a gullible enterprise audience who simply asked for a no-coin version of blockchain so they could say they have a blockchain strategy, grifting to enterprise clients is fine until those users act like they solved a deficiency of speculation as if thats a problem at all

public blockchains and smart contracts have a solution for the problems you mentioned so far, those are the myriad of concerns I’m referring to. Public blockchains also provide benefits to transparency and security that make the SROs and securities regulator redundant in their current form. There is another more productive way they can improve the things deployed on blockchains and give confidence to investors, but that’s only going to come from the blockchain space’s own regulatory capture, ironically thanks to speculation creating new consolidation of power and interest.

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