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Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #25
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #23

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No, US-American tourists

As a frequent reader of r/europe, Americans have FAR from the worst reputation for tourists within Europe, it's not even close. At least among larger countries, they might actually have a better than average rep.

I don't dislike US-Americans. Very far from it.

Most US-Americans that I have encountered (both abroad and stateside) are a lovely bunch, great tippers, and have a distinct happy-go-lucky attitude that is hard to find anywhere else.

The crux: When a place gets popular with a certain tourist demographic (through Instagram, Tiktok, whatever) there is an inflection point where the place / experience starts to become commodified, expensive, and bad.

Similar to an influx of large amounts VC money in that niche community app that you used to love.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by bombcar »

samatman wrote: post #14
bombcar wrote: post #7

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Just go to any other part of the park; though the other parts are not as "interesting". Visit the Zone of Death! Almost completely empty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone)

The Zone of Death isn't quite a classic "HN tries to compile the law" topic, lawyers have tried to have the boundaries rewritten after all. But what would happen if/when a felony is committed in the Zone of Death is fairly clear. A local judge would rule that "State and district" needs to be interpreted in the intention of the legislature, and can only be "State or district" when those differ, since "neither State no…

The only case that gets close to it was resolved (in part) by the perpetrator taking a plea deal that included the guarantee that they would NOT petition for redress.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by dendrite9 »

burkaman wrote: post #20
jderick wrote: post #3

Maybe they can create one without all the traffic.

I haven't been to Yellowstone so maybe this doesn't make sense, but is there a reason they couldn't implement the same system as Zion? During most of the year the main road in Zion is closed to private cars, and everyone uses the (very good) shuttle system, or bikes or walks.

I think Yellowstone is too big for that compared to places like Zion and Yosemite which have relatively small valleys where people concentrate. I'm not sure shuttles to see Tioga Pass would make sense in the same way they do in the valley.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by wbl »

bombcar wrote: post #39
justrealist wrote: post #10

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I buy this for Yosemite but let's be real, if I'm going to Yellowstone I'm taking my toddlers to see the geysers, not on a 20 mile in-and-out hike up a mountain.

Of course - though there are other geysers available (most in Yellowstone, of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geysers Popular things are popular for reasons, after all. The best I've found is visit at inconvenient times; early or late in the season, or early in the day.

Was just in Yosemite: the mountains look just as pretty with snow and you can snowshoe from Badger Pass.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by shafyy »

UberFly wrote: post #26

Private money is what kicked off the National Parks system in the US. Glad to see this happening anywhere. I hope it stays in the public trust though.

There are already tons of national parks in Europe, it's not like this is the first one.

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by jterrys »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #69
budududuroiu wrote: post #15

Visiting Romania :) Living in Romania :(

Romanians complain more about their country than people from Africa, Syria or Afganistan. Most pessimistic bunch ever. Not that life in Romania is excelent, but the Romanians who complain a lot only look at Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, etc and forget most of the world has it vastly worse than them.

The latter two don't really have the internet to complain about their country though

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by generic92034 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #72
Rinzler89 wrote: post #58

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> they'll come down and steal from your garbage in town You mean their home? Bears were there before humans settled and built towns. IMHO can't really complain about bears wehen you're the on encroaching on their turf, not the other way around.

I never understand these arguments. You mean mastodon home,surely? They were there before bears! How about pterodactyl? How far do we go / where do we arbitrarily draw the line? I am all for ecology, preservation, being in sync with nature etc, but I find fundamentally flawed and dishonest arguments like these don't contribute to the cause. Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other speci…

> Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other species, multiple times over.

I can mostly agree with the rest of your points. But how many species are killing off thousands of other species in such a short time frame?

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by Rinzler89 »

jterrys wrote: post #86
Rinzler89 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Romanians complain more about their country than people from Africa, Syria or Afganistan. Most pessimistic bunch ever. Not that life in Romania is excelent, but the Romanians who complain a lot only look at Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, etc and forget most of the world has it vastly worse than them.

The latter two don't really have the internet to complain about their country though

I'm talking about in-person complaining as I met a lot of people from those countries and none complained as much as Romanians. And assuming those people don't have internet is just silly.

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Post by sib »

bavent wrote: post #59
UberFly wrote: post #26

Private money is what kicked off the National Parks system in the US. Glad to see this happening anywhere. I hope it stays in the public trust though.

Really? I thought it was Terry Roosevelt. Do you have a source?

Yellowstone National Park - 1872

Sequoia National Park - 1890

Yosemite National Park - 1890

Teddy Roosevelt - president from 1901 - 1909

Re: Group buys up large tracts of land in Romania to create 'European Yellowstone'

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Post by NikolaNovak »

generic92034 wrote: post #87
NikolaNovak wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understand these arguments. You mean mastodon home,surely? They were there before bears! How about pterodactyl? How far do we go / where do we arbitrarily draw the line? I am all for ecology, preservation, being in sync with nature etc, but I find fundamentally flawed and dishonest arguments like these don't contribute to the cause. Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other speci…

> Over billions of years, every single species alive displaced some other species, multiple times over. I can mostly agree with the rest of your points. But how many species are killing off thousands of other species in such a short time frame?

And that's absolutely an argument I will support! and very much do care about.

It's just a fundamentally different argument to "Well clearly, arbitrary species A here at some arbitrary time B is the natural and morally right owner of these lands".

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