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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wvenable »

handoflixue wrote: post #449
wvenable wrote: post #433

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It might feel that way but what's the real difference between TikTok and watching TV? Society has always restricted children's access to specific content but now we're restricting children's access to specific mediums regardless of the content itself. Why is TikTok or YouTube shorts not a valid way to consume media? It's a bit like arguing graphic novels are acceptable to children but short comics are not.

> what's the real difference between TikTok and watching TV? One is a heavily regulated medium where people spend millions of dollars and work together in teams of hundreds. It's content is overseen by numerous regulatory agencies before it airs. Tons of powerful people stand to lose a lot of money if anyone screws up and sneaks porn onto the news - even a nip slip on live TV can become a major scandal that's remembe…

Are we willing to lock all humans into an antiquated medium for the sake of this control?

I ask this as someone who now watches only a tiny amount of television now. I watch a lot of content online and even create my own content. The only reason we need overworked moderators is because anyone can be a creator now. I don't think you can put that genie back in the bottle and I don't think it's necessarily better if you did.

> even a nip slip on live TV can become a major scandal that's remembered years later.

And only a few decades before that you couldn't show two adults sleeping in the same bed.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by freejazz »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #444
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #438

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> Let the experiment take place, I say. I think the experiment is more about the judiciary and about tribal politics. There's ample case law against something like this, so to me this seems unconstitutional, and I doubt it will stand. But DeSantis will win some more heart and minds of the folks who secretly do want big government protecting them from the boogieman. Regardless of anyone's views about social media, the…

Laws are often just social signals in writing. A law indicates that a large group agrees that something is bad. Often times people find it easier to just agree with a law rather than navigate the mental gray area around behaviors that aren't black and white.

This is such an unhelpful platitude.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by decremental »

Solvency wrote: post #441
serial_dev wrote: post #431

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Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them. > There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...

Why do you say "all states" when that's not true, and when California is one of the most populated states in the country and has zero exemptions?

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by freejazz »

handoflixue wrote: post #439
caditinpiscinam wrote: post #420

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I wonder what the people who were forcibly sterilized after Buck v Bell thought of Brandeis' philosophy.

Could you explain a bit more about how Brandeis' philosophy relates to that case? Was he pro-sterilization, or are you just trying to imply that "experimentation"/science means you lack any morals?

I think the argument is that states are not laboratories for behaviors that violate the constitutional rights of others, or in the case of this law, go beyond the legislative branch's constitutional powers, so that just suggesting there isn't an experiment is in itself not sufficient to defend this law.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Brybry »

zarathustreal wrote: post #437
serial_dev wrote: post #431

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Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them. > There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...

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I don't think traditional American understandings on freedom were for state identity document requirements.

That's why we have no federal IDs and social security numbers are abused and why we use driver's licenses for identification cards. When detained, you have a right not to give police papers proving who you are, you just have to tell them your name. [1]

So Florida pushing the concept of using state id to verify age to access a website, which is probably what this law requires, is kind of against that tradition. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_Distr...

[2] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/BillText/er/PDF

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wvenable »

ricardobeat wrote: post #446
wvenable wrote: post #433

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It might feel that way but what's the real difference between TikTok and watching TV? Society has always restricted children's access to specific content but now we're restricting children's access to specific mediums regardless of the content itself. Why is TikTok or YouTube shorts not a valid way to consume media? It's a bit like arguing graphic novels are acceptable to children but short comics are not.

The difference is massive . Your weird neighbour who has a feet fetish would never get to be a TV star, but he can amass 50k followers on TikTok, and request feet pics via private messages to them. Including underage children. Now multiply that by ten thousand. TV, by nature of being a group effort and holding a sliver of a monopoly for your attention, had a natural content filter (based on societal standards, for ba…

I don't watch foot fetishists but I watch a lot of content made by people who would never get on TV on subjects too niche to ever get on TV.

Also, if you want learn how to do anything, you can find someone online that will show you how to do it.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by jonathankoren »

Brybry wrote: post #422
jonathankoren wrote: post #315

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And how do you know they're not a child? Bars do it by having you show an id. Online pot dispensaries do it by having you upload an id. Texas expects porn sites to do it by having you upload an id. How does Florida expect a site to do it? This is a legitimate question that I want the answer to. Presumably "check this box" isn't going to cut it. So if it's not the most common way to enforce an actual legal restriction…

There's really no need for ID checking. Most porn sites already self-regulated by marking their content adult with meta tags/headers. Parental control software picks up on that. [1] Social media could do the same thing: make a social media adults-only meta tag for parental control software to use. For the parents that care, and use parental control software, the ID laws won't stop their kids running into porn. The po…

My sibling in the universe, we are talking about an actual LAW. WRT Texas, a law that is on the books and enforced TODAY.

Get informed.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by ricardobeat »

rokkitmensch wrote: post #338
Buttons840 wrote: post #216

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> It's extremely difficult for parents to stop their children, especially early teens from using social media. I'm trying to decide whether it's "extremely easy" or "extremely difficult" for parents to stop their children from having a cell phone. One the one hand, all you have to do is not spend money and not buy a phone, easy. And yet, almost every kid has a cell phone, so evidently it is hard for parents to say no…

I had a conversation with a mom recently where she wanted my input on her media choices because she thought what I was doing was cool and admirable. It all fell apart when she realized that she'd have to yank the XBox, the PS*, the Switch, etc. Her kid, and all of the other entitled ones with endless access to everything on the internet, are utterly intolerable when they come over -- until they go outside with my kid…

A Playstation or Nintendo Switch has no internet browser, or access to any social media.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by [deleted] »

ericmcer wrote: post #233
Buttons840 wrote: post #231

The recent World Happiness Report[0] concluded: > In many but not all regions, the young are happier than the old. But in North America happiness has fallen so sharply for the young that they are now less happy than the old. By contrast, in the transition countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the young are much happier than the old. In Western Europe as a whole happiness is similar at all ages, while elsewhere it…

I have a 14 year old and the content of social media seems to be what bums her out. She seems to be ingrained with the idea that she will never own a home, environmental disasters will be constant and the economy will be in shambles by the time she reaches adulthood. Maybe America just has a uniquely depressive social media environment? I have not read any kind of large scale studies examining the "tone" of social me…

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by Brybry »

wvenable wrote: post #436
Brybry wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's really no need for ID checking. Most porn sites already self-regulated by marking their content adult with meta tags/headers. Parental control software picks up on that. [1] Social media could do the same thing: make a social media adults-only meta tag for parental control software to use. For the parents that care, and use parental control software, the ID laws won't stop their kids running into porn. The po…

> Parental control software picks up on that. [1] That's client side. This law specifically makes this a server-side issue; the service cannot let a minor make an account. How do you do that without ID?

By not having this law and doing it client side. My opinion is the law is bad.
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