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Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by serial_dev »

Brybry wrote: post #418
serial_dev wrote: post #403

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Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't? https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...

You can get a religious exemption[1] and Florida was in the news recently about a measles outbreak where their Surgeon General advised parents of unvaccinated kids to make their own choice on sending their kids to school or not. [2] You can also google Florida student MMR vaccination rates and most results are closer to 90% than 100%, so clearly people are taking advantage of exemptions. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.u…

Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them.

> There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations.

https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by n_plus_1_acc »

adrr wrote: post #421
alphabettsy wrote: post #81

The biggest problem I see is that we’re now essentially requiring ID to use substantial parts of the internet. So many business only have a Facebook page, Google maps has social features. I already didn’t want a Facebook account just to see a businesses specials, now I’ll need to present ID too? Certainly interested to see how all this plays out.

Apple, Google or any other trusted provider could do anonymous attestation of being over a certain age. Apple already has the framework in safari to attest that you aren't a bot.

Google is the last company I would trust with that kind of data

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wvenable »

spicykraken wrote: post #389
tremon wrote: post #357

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Plenty of other goods and services are used by children, even targeted at them, without them needing to enter a contract.

Children aren't allowed to play slot machines either and that's what TikTok (and Youtube Shorts, etc) sure feels like to me.

It might feel that way but what's the real difference between TikTok and watching TV? Society has always restricted children's access to specific content but now we're restricting children's access to specific mediums regardless of the content itself.

Why is TikTok or YouTube shorts not a valid way to consume media?

It's a bit like arguing graphic novels are acceptable to children but short comics are not.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

> Let the experiment take place, I say

It is an unconstitutional law; it is following the path of similar unconstitutional laws¹²³. Where is the experiment?

¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Entertainment_Merchan...

²https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._American_Civil_Liberti... (sections about minor access to indecent material struck down)

³https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/ohio/oh...

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by silverquiet »

floxy wrote: post #413
silverquiet wrote: post #384

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I notice a distinct lack of jobs like plumber or carpenter in that list. In some sense my parents are home builders (I'd say it's like a hobby for them), so I have some familiarity with the process. I even fill in some of the labor on occasion. It really doesn't require a lot of administrative work (though they avoid building in places with lots of codes at this point), but a ton of low-paid labor. I don't think any…

I hesitated to use the word "construction" on purpose, because invariably someone on HN chimes in how back breaking manual labor is and how it wears out your body prematurely, etc.. :) >I don't think any amount of money could ever get me to do concrete work How complex is that work? Might it be a good candidate for machines/robots?

I'd think if it was amenable to mechanization, that would have happened in the last century or so. I distinctly remember Mike Rowe doing the job on his show "Dirty Jobs" so that might be worth looking up if you want a good picture of it.

There's plenty of machines involved to transport concrete via trucks and pumps and all that, but it always seems to end up with some grunt holding the nozzle and then lots of labor to ensure there are no voids and the surface is smooth.

I don't really know that much about robots, but the thing about houses is that nothing is really terribly exact - lots of stuff is just off by half an inch or something like that, so a lot of the work just ends up being somewhat custom. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing robots would handle well.

Maybe there's more room for it in prefab type construction? But of course there's a mobile home stigma there.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by wvenable »

Brybry wrote: post #422
jonathankoren wrote: post #315

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And how do you know they're not a child? Bars do it by having you show an id. Online pot dispensaries do it by having you upload an id. Texas expects porn sites to do it by having you upload an id. How does Florida expect a site to do it? This is a legitimate question that I want the answer to. Presumably "check this box" isn't going to cut it. So if it's not the most common way to enforce an actual legal restriction…

There's really no need for ID checking. Most porn sites already self-regulated by marking their content adult with meta tags/headers. Parental control software picks up on that. [1] Social media could do the same thing: make a social media adults-only meta tag for parental control software to use. For the parents that care, and use parental control software, the ID laws won't stop their kids running into porn. The po…

> Parental control software picks up on that. [1]

That's client side. This law specifically makes this a server-side issue; the service cannot let a minor make an account.

How do you do that without ID?

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by zarathustreal »

serial_dev wrote: post #431
Brybry wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a religious exemption[1] and Florida was in the news recently about a measles outbreak where their Surgeon General advised parents of unvaccinated kids to make their own choice on sending their kids to school or not. [2] You can also google Florida student MMR vaccination rates and most results are closer to 90% than 100%, so clearly people are taking advantage of exemptions. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.u…

Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them. > There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...

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Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

LVB wrote: post #360

Let the experiment take place, I say. Just like Oregon’s now-repealed drug use decriminalization bill. It didn’t achieve its intended goals, but there is now a mass of data about what assumptions were wrong, implementation issues, etc. IMO there is real value in letting states put such changes into play to get beyond the debate and actually test the hypotheses.

> Let the experiment take place, I say.

I think the experiment is more about the judiciary and about tribal politics. There's ample case law against something like this, so to me this seems unconstitutional, and I doubt it will stand. But DeSantis will win some more heart and minds of the folks who secretly do want big government protecting them from the boogieman.

Regardless of anyone's views about social media, the fact that the government wants 'papers please' for you to access a website should really scare everyone.

Re: Florida's DeSantis signs law restricting social media for people under 16

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Post by handoflixue »

caditinpiscinam wrote: post #420
gnicholas wrote: post #383

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Justice Brandeis, who coined the term "laboratories of democracy", felt otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories_of_democracy

I wonder what the people who were forcibly sterilized after Buck v Bell thought of Brandeis' philosophy.

Could you explain a bit more about how Brandeis' philosophy relates to that case? Was he pro-sterilization, or are you just trying to imply that "experimentation"/science means you lack any morals?
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