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U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by sashank_1509 »

gigel82 wrote: post #967
sashank_1509 wrote: post #966

I guess this is what it feels like to see the country and institutions you love decay in real time and go to the dogs. The number of HN comments here supporting the government and arguing against Apple boggle my mind, yet I can’t help but notice that I’ve seen this trendline for a while and should honestly be expecting it until something drastic happens. For those with a more open mind, look at the wasteland of Ameri…

> Apple should be another Boeing, a company that exists to embody its regulation That is pretty funny because you're right, Apple is becoming another Boeing - a profit-above-all-else corporate asshole and just like Boeing what we need is a hell of a lot more regulation, not less: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc

Your view is so opposite of mine that only one of us will be proven right and I like my odds

Re: U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone monopoly

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Post by 1oooqooq »

Fripplebubby wrote: post #287

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

is a browser a super app? a cloud streaming app?

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Post by justin66 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #949

For folks that have worked with Apple, since the 1980s, it’s sort of surreal, to see this happening. We remember Apple as this scrappy, scruffy outfit, struggling to stay alive. We never dreamed that they would ever get to the place, where they would be sued as a monopoly. I remember the old WWDCs, when you could just walk up to anyone at Apple (including Steve), and just start chatting. If you did talk to Steve, he…

> We remember Apple as this scrappy, scruffy outfit, struggling to stay alive.

I don’t know. For those of us who were bitter when Apple killed the Apple II… we put the notion of “scrappy” Apple behind a long time ago.

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Post by thomasahle »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #290
abhayhegde wrote: post #209

I understand the evil practices of Apple to lock you up in their walled garden such as iMessage, easy sync between the devices etc. But, ultimately, wouldn't the choice of buying those products in the consumer's hand?

Generally in the US, if you want to participate in friends and family group messages, it's either iPhone or be left out.

This is my experience too. Either iPhone or find non-american friends.

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Post by nodamage »

akira2501 wrote: post #571
endisneigh wrote: post #129

I assert it is trivial to not buy Apple products, easy to make alternatives to Apple products and easy to buy feature equivalent devices to Apple products. In lieu of this what is the problem? If the government has a problem why not say any code should be able to be run on any device? Honestly I’m curious - what’s the problem? There are android phones that are superior to iPhones and let you run anything you want. Wh…

> In lieu of this what is the problem? You assertions are immaterial to the fact that they are breaking the law. Monopolies and monopolistic practices are flatly illegal. You're also viewing this exclusively through the lens of the "consumer" experience while fully ignoring the effects on the "labor" and "supplier" market. > The government seems to want to make it illegal to have a tight experience Is there some evid…

> Monopolies and monopolistic practices are flatly illegal.

You are mistaken.

Section 2 of the Sherman Act makes it unlawful for a company to "monopolize, or attempt to monopolize," trade or commerce. As that law has been interpreted, it is not illegal for a company to have a monopoly, to charge "high prices," or to try to achieve a monopoly position by what might be viewed by some as particularly aggressive methods. The law is violated only if the company tries to maintain or acquire a monopoly through unreasonable methods. For the courts, a key factor in determining what is unreasonable is whether the practice has a legitimate business justification.

https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...

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Post by vmladenov »

hu3 wrote: post #984
Kerbonut wrote: post #750

Next do power tools manufacturers for purposefully making incompatible battery packs and printer manufacturers for incompatible ink cartridges.

Funny, an Apple printer would probably only accept Apple certified paper sheets and require an ink subscription. Of course it would not support USB, favouring a proprietary connector so your printing can start 0.1 seconds faster. Parts would be glued together so to make it compact (and impossible to fix). All for the bargain of $999. And yes, some people would gladly buy them.

> Of course it would not support USB, favouring a proprietary connector so your printing can start 0.1 seconds faster.

The company that shipped the first laptop to go all-in on USB-C in 2016?

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Post by ksec »

standardUser wrote: post #648
Fripplebubby wrote: post #287

For folks who don't have time to read a 90 page document, the case rests on specific claims, not just the general claim that iPhone is a monopoly because it's so big. Here are those claims: 1. "Super Apps" Apple has restrictions on what they allow on the App Store as far as "Super Apps", which are apps that might offer a wide variety of different services (specifically, an app which has several "mini programs" within…

> 3. Messaging interoperability The richest company in the world is purposefully generating social and psychology stress for young people so they can edge up their market share just a little bit more. In a just world, people would be imprisoned over this.

Even though I am somewhat gainst Apple I dont think that is a fair assessment.

I do however find them extremely hypocrite of suggesting how they "care" about young people and yet not acting on it while causing this problem.

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