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First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

klausa wrote: post #45
tempoponet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

My understanding was that they were offering a specially-patched version of Yuzu to their Patreon supporters, that included improvements for games that _weren't released yet_. *Making money* by helping people run Zelda _before it came out_ was begging for trouble. Nintendo's approach to fan projects and emulators is ridiculous, don't get me wrong — but Yuzu authors were definitely playing with fire and overstepping w…

This was a widely spread myth, now generally considered incorrect.

Yuzu did not offer improvements before launch day. There were badly patched unofficial versions that were trying. Nintendo does allege though that Yuzu was doing research to develop the patches before launch day.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by tombert »

burrish wrote: post #38

What's the big fuss when we still have Ryujinx ?

I think the fear is that this is only the beginning. Nintendo successfully killed one emulator, why would they stop there?

Nintendo certainly knows about Ryujinx and is patiently waiting for them to screw up anything legally so they can bring them down next.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by giancarlostoro »

caminante wrote: post #36
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be a resume piece. Having been in these communities (server emulation instead of console) you find some insanely bright developers in them. A lot of them don't have a formal education background, but are willing to build out well thought out pieces of software. You just have to do the research on them if they tell you this is who they are, a lot of the times you can find out plenty about how they code and desi…

Not making sense. These anon devs can still have socials. Their resume is public, and you can reach them without revealing their identity.

This is a little too risky since it could wind up with someone revealing their identity inadvertently or otherwise. If you truly want to be anonymous you should not be leaving so many breadcrumbs. All it takes is for a former employer to have a security breach and someone to point out that they found your real identity.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by b3lvedere »

antiframe wrote: post #37
exitb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games It seems misleading to imply that you NEED to dump them from a real device? Can't you just provide the files found on the internet?

Well, that would be piracy. The Suyu team condemns that behavior. Edited: condones -> condemns

Must be nice for some people to legally hide behind words.

"Yes, your honor. We did build this thing that some may define as a bomb capable of destroying the entire planet, but our intention was just to build a big power source. We are very much against illegal use."

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by testudovictoria »

tempoponet wrote: post #4
speps wrote: post #2

The key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

There are fair-use protections, but it costs money to defend. Part of why so many Smash tournaments folded in 2022 was because of Nintendo telling people they weren't allowed to host tourneys using their IP. Granted I'm not a lawyer, but people gathering to play a multiplayer game and then streaming the matches doesn't inherently constitute any infringement on Nintendo's rights or ability to make money. Many TOs (tournament organizers) left the scene or stopped featuring Smash as a title over the C&D notice. No one wanted to take on Nintendo in court.

Kind of. Some TOs are calling Nintendo's bluff. Nintendo released a set of guidelines[0] on what kinds of tournaments can be hosted. However, Collision 2024 just happened with attendees and a prize pool surpassing the guidelines.

[0]: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/...

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by kotaKat »

tempoponet wrote: post #4
speps wrote: post #2

The key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

Beyond speculation. Nintendo is known to not fuck around, thanks to its leaks.

In one of the various Nintendo leaks in the past few years was a bunch of documentation of "Operation Belgian Waffle", their attempt to "Knock and Talk" with a private investigator, law enforcement, and Nintendo Legal visiting a fairly well-known hacker in the scene. All of this was being spearheaded and commanded by Nintendo of Japan towards the subsidiaries in other countries.

https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-conducted-invasive-surveil...

Nintendo was already operating inside the Discord as per screenshots of evidence in the case, so they really had some leverage here.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by pjerem »

b3lvedere wrote: post #54
antiframe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that would be piracy. The Suyu team condemns that behavior. Edited: condones -> condemns

Must be nice for some people to legally hide behind words. "Yes, your honor. We did build this thing that some may define as a bomb capable of destroying the entire planet, but our intention was just to build a big power source. We are very much against illegal use."

Well, looks like that's based on a true story ;)

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Post by tombert »

10GBps wrote: post #47

In some ways Nintendo suing the original project was a good thing. It brought the project to the attention of a lot more people. Now there is a new version with a bunch of bugs fixed. Who knows how many new developers will be working on it now. I have to think Nintendo knew this. They had to defend what they could and did so because the original project actually seemed to be doing some sketchy stuff. They know they c…

I think it's pretty clear that if they felt that they had a case against emulation as a whole, they would have brought down the Dolphin project. As it stands, the worst they've done is gotten it booted off Steam, but I can happily still download it from their website. The Dolphin project has been around in some capacity since 2003, while the GameCube was still relevant, and had more-or-less decent Wii Emulation in 2009 as well; by all accounts in 2010 Dolphin was directly competing with "real" Wiis (while offering proper HD output no less).

I'm sure Nintendo's lawyers were perfectly aware of Dolphin pretty early on, and if they felt that there was any case against them then they would have done something.

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