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First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games It seems misleading to imply that you NEED to dump them from a real device? Can't you just provide the files found on the internet?

Well, that would be piracy. The Suyu team condemns that behavior. Edited: condones -> condemns

I assume you mean condemns that behavior.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games It seems misleading to imply that you NEED to dump them from a real device? Can't you just provide the files found on the internet?

Well, that would be piracy. The Suyu team condemns that behavior. Edited: condones -> condemns

They don't condone piracy, you mean.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be a resume piece. Having been in these communities (server emulation instead of console) you find some insanely bright developers in them. A lot of them don't have a formal education background, but are willing to build out well thought out pieces of software. You just have to do the research on them if they tell you this is who they are, a lot of the times you can find out plenty about how they code and desi…

Not making sense. These anon devs can still have socials. Their resume is public, and you can reach them without revealing their identity.

Do they expect a company to believe them when they say "Yes, that anonymous social profile is actually me, John Emu maker. Really." Then if they proove it, by logging in and posting a known sentinel for example, do they expect everyone on that interview loop to keep their secret?

Companies generally don't take anonymous credentials.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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The key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...

One argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast a…

My understanding was that they were offering a specially-patched version of Yuzu to their Patreon supporters, that included improvements for games that _weren't released yet_.

*Making money* by helping people run Zelda _before it came out_ was begging for trouble.

Nintendo's approach to fan projects and emulators is ridiculous, don't get me wrong — but Yuzu authors were definitely playing with fire and overstepping what's generally accepted in the community.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Why don't any of these major emulator teams build and release anonymously?

It can be a resume piece. Having been in these communities (server emulation instead of console) you find some insanely bright developers in them. A lot of them don't have a formal education background, but are willing to build out well thought out pieces of software. You just have to do the research on them if they tell you this is who they are, a lot of the times you can find out plenty about how they code and desi…

I'll double down on personality that parent comment pointed out. If you see someone submit a project they worked on instead of formal education then you need to see what their exact contribution is and how they interact with other devs. Look at past github comments, issues, etc. Lurk in their chat server or pull logs. Expect to see a more casual attitude than what will show up at work, but pay attention to how contributions are handled, how credit is handled, and how disagreements are handled. It's not a universal problem, but I've seen some of the worst developer drama around volunteer open source video game projects.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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In some ways Nintendo suing the original project was a good thing. It brought the project to the attention of a lot more people. Now there is a new version with a bunch of bugs fixed. Who knows how many new developers will be working on it now.

I have to think Nintendo knew this. They had to defend what they could and did so because the original project actually seemed to be doing some sketchy stuff. They know they can't stop everything though.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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post #7

3 things in life are certain. Death, taxes, and Nintendo emulators.

There is no 3rd without the legal problems with Nintendo.

I mean, Higan/BSnes, SNES9X, Project64, Mupen64, FCEUX, mGBA, and probably dozens of others that I'm missing have been around for a very long time, and as far as I'm aware haven't had any legal issues from Nintendo, though that might be because all of them don't require any kind of BIOS.

Re: First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not making sense. These anon devs can still have socials. Their resume is public, and you can reach them without revealing their identity.

Do they expect a company to believe them when they say "Yes, that anonymous social profile is actually me, John Emu maker. Really." Then if they proove it, by logging in and posting a known sentinel for example, do they expect everyone on that interview loop to keep their secret? Companies generally don't take anonymous credentials.

Even if the anonymous developer submitted the resume, they are giving the employer the power to dox them. There is a lot of trust there.
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