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Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Oh, that is why I wasn't able to renew some domains I have used for 10+ years. I'm not even able to upgrade to paid domain. I don't think it will help reducing malware/scams/phishing. But it will hurt students and young people that want to start in en development and aren't able to pay for a domain.

For students, a few of the GitHub Education Student Pack partners offer free domains for a year.

https://www.name.com/partner/github-students

https://get.tech/github-student-developer-pack

https://nc.me/

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#122

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But did you become a webmaster?

Yep webhighmaster :D im a software developer now

LOL!

On a good day sure, most days I would settle on me being a house elf, or dozer...

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#123
post #19

The article presents this as a loss - but cloudflare has a free tier, do we know if these were paid accounts? If cloudflare weren’t going to convert these users then this could be a gain.

If the users were using free domains instead of paying for a domain do you think they'd use paid cloudflare? The cost of a domain is so much lower than the cost of Cloudflare.

I could at least imagine a scenario along the lines of: penniless college student creates a site at a .tk domain. Later, the student gets a job so he is no longer penniless, and meanwhile, his site actually becomes popular, so he signs up for cloudflare, maybe even registers a .com domain, but keeps the .tk domain alive because that's where most his traffic is coming from.

Not sure how common that is. But I don't think it's a given that all sites hosted on .tk domains are unwilling to pay, especially not if you consider that they must be somewhat popular if they need a CDN.

(The sort of personal homepage that most of us had back in the 90s would never need a CDN because it would get 5 hits per week.)

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Another prominent .tk domain is for the Tcl programming language (tcl.tk) and I just checked, that is one of the paid .tk domains that are still up.

Why do orgs feel the need to use these whacky TLDs I’m still of the fence with rust using .rs in important places which is fundamentally in control of the Serbian government. You’re going to have to trust the Serbian government with signing .rs DNSSSEC at minimum and I don’t.

I think .so is an even whackier choice and people are rushing to it. Why notion.com redirects to notion.so is beyond me. Probably couldn't buy it and pay only for a redirect?

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#125

Unrelated to the article but seeing .tk brings back many memories. As a kid without a bank account let's alone an international credit card (VISA/Mastercard), dot.tk is the only way to put a website online with your name. I created countless of websites with .tk for classmates, school and families.

My favorite was .uni.cc, I had a couple of those free domains back in the day.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#126

The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. You can’t win with these people, I personally think this is the best outcome and shows our systems work (albeit slowly). Sure it took a while, but now there doesn’t have to be a precedent of Cloudflare acting as the internet police more than it…

This seems like such a weird problem to me. If they're criminals, just send the cops? If you can't send the cops, then they aren't criminals? How do you end up in this limbo where you need critical infrastructure to play judge?

Are you American? Because that sounds like such an American idea of how the world works.

To answer your question: most malware actors can be traced back to Russia, what exactly do you think "sending the cops" after them will accomplish and if the answer is "nothing", then does that mean you don't think they can be called criminals?

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#127

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I see. Perhaps there should be a legal framework to get the government to demand companies like cloudflare stop serving these international criminals, then. That way it wouldn't depend on a private entity making the judgement. Do you ever think it's weird that we have gone through web 1.0, web 2.0, semantic web, intertubes clogged with spam bots, web 3.0: crypto edition, and the dawn of AI scraping, and we still have…

Which government do you mean when you say "the government"? Any national government? Only the US government? Only governments in which the US is friendly and/or has agreements with? Would you want authoritarian governments to be able to demand Cloudflare stop serving those they consider criminals that are outside their borders? International law is messy.

For starters, Cloudflare is a USA company so it has to do whatever the USA government tells it. See National Security Letters.

They can easily order it to reveal the origin server of a website, or the sign-up IP address of the account, or to stop providing services to one.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#128
post #51
post #43

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I remember one around the year 2000 that gave you yourname.com for free but it would host your site in a frameset with a bottom frame serving banner ads. IIRC it was called NameZero, but I don't think it lasted long.

That was definitely NameZero. Their problem was they had no way to control what you ran inside your frame, so everyone ran a well-distributed code snippet that removed the ad frame.

Similar to Angelfire, which only inserted ads into the top of .html files, so you just built your entire site as .txt files and rely on the browsers "be lenient in what you accept" to render it as HTML.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#129
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post #29

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Yeah, because of the pressure after it all blew up. They even said in their own blog post that it was an "extraordinary" decision and did not believe terminating them was appropriate. Kiwi Farms used their services for at least 6 years before anything happened.

And all that pressure was for naught because it's still available right on the clearweb :'(

Is it? Currently giving 502 Bad Gateway. Seems like they're having hosting troubles.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

#130
post #5

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Same here. .tk was the only one back then that allowed you to have your own domain name without subdomains. My memory is that: 1. freeserver.com/~userna 2. username.freeserver.com 3. username.fs.com 4. username.tk Then we grew up a bit and started paying domains :')

de.vu was popular in Germany for subdomains, I had a few of those. Also a .tk one later.

de.vu always rubbed me the wrong way because it kinda looked/sounded like DVU, a far-right political party that eventually merged with the neo-nazi NPD (which, fun fact, recently rebranded itself as Die Heimat - Homeland). To be fair, the party didn't have much political relevance for most of its history but it did manage to win seats in some state (Land) parliaments in 1998, 1999, 2003, 2004 and 2007 so it did come up in the news around the time those domains were most popular.

On the other hand, .tk was in my mind mostly associated with German hobbyists and piracy. I think my old StarCraft/CounterStrike clan had a .tk domain at one point.

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