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Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by AlienRobot »

lolinder wrote: post #55
AlienRobot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like such a weird problem to me. If they're criminals, just send the cops? If you can't send the cops, then they aren't criminals? How do you end up in this limbo where you need critical infrastructure to play judge?

The internet is a global system that spans ~all jurisdictions, and most internet criminals live in jurisdictions that don't prosecute internet crimes as long as the bad actors leave citizens of their own country alone. So they're criminals as far as the US and allies are concerned, but de facto not criminals where they live. If they're going to be locked out of the system, it has to be by the infrastructure, because…

I see. Perhaps there should be a legal framework to get the government to demand companies like cloudflare stop serving these international criminals, then. That way it wouldn't depend on a private entity making the judgement.

Do you ever think it's weird that we have gone through web 1.0, web 2.0, semantic web, intertubes clogged with spam bots, web 3.0: crypto edition, and the dawn of AI scraping, and we still haven't figured out these issues?

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by atum47 »

thangngoc89 wrote: post #2

Unrelated to the article but seeing .tk brings back many memories. As a kid without a bank account let's alone an international credit card (VISA/Mastercard), dot.tk is the only way to put a website online with your name. I created countless of websites with .tk for classmates, school and families.

I used to host my websites wherever and then having a redirect to it. Two I remember was pagina.de/dr.enima (roughly translates to site of dr.enigma, my nickname back then) and i.am/supermatrix - a website dedicated to the movie the matrix which I love.

I think both of those pages were hosted in geocities and had pretty long urls...

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by atum47 »

atum47 wrote: post #73
thangngoc89 wrote: post #2

Unrelated to the article but seeing .tk brings back many memories. As a kid without a bank account let's alone an international credit card (VISA/Mastercard), dot.tk is the only way to put a website online with your name. I created countless of websites with .tk for classmates, school and families.

I used to host my websites wherever and then having a redirect to it. Two I remember was pagina.de/dr.enima (roughly translates to site of dr.enigma, my nickname back then) and i.am/supermatrix - a website dedicated to the movie the matrix which I love. I think both of those pages were hosted in geocities and had pretty long urls...

If i recall correctly, i use frames with size 0 on the top and 100% on the bottom, making that annoying banner invisible

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by kortilla »

mypastself wrote: post #65
lolinder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can’t win with these people This is the classic fallacy of assuming that because you see comments of type A and comments of type B on the same forum that means they're the same people. They're usually not. A more accurate way to phrase this is "you can't win with ... people". Whatever you do will end up ticking off some subset of the population.

“These people” is presumably a set of people quick to find fault in anything a corporation does, which could be a superset of those two groups. Not sure what kind of fallacy that’s supposed to be.

Those people are in the noise and nobody cares what they think once they realize they just criticize for the sake of it.

That doesn’t change that people seem to think the top upvoted comments being contradictory from day to day represents some kind of inconsistency in the views of the commenters on this site.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by __s »

mypastself wrote: post #65
lolinder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can’t win with these people This is the classic fallacy of assuming that because you see comments of type A and comments of type B on the same forum that means they're the same people. They're usually not. A more accurate way to phrase this is "you can't win with ... people". Whatever you do will end up ticking off some subset of the population.

“These people” is presumably a set of people quick to find fault in anything a corporation does, which could be a superset of those two groups. Not sure what kind of fallacy that’s supposed to be.

intersection, not superset

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by mobilemidget »

lxgr wrote: post #58
overstay8930 wrote: post #18

The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. You can’t win with these people, I personally think this is the best outcome and shows our systems work (albeit slowly). Sure it took a while, but now there doesn’t have to be a precedent of Cloudflare acting as the internet police more than it…

What criminals are you referring to? The operators of .tk, or their users?

There are tons of shady websites hiding behind cloudflare's services. Some used .tk domains too but just in general, many shady websites are hiding behind Cloudflare and at least I know from personal experience if you contact cloud flare about it, they pretend not to be home.

"We do not host the website" was always there response, while that is perhaps technically true, arguing if they shut down the reverse proxying for that website it would be at least offline, never worked.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by 0x0000000 »

overstay8930 wrote: post #18

The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like. You can’t win with these people, I personally think this is the best outcome and shows our systems work (albeit slowly). Sure it took a while, but now there doesn’t have to be a precedent of Cloudflare acting as the internet police more than it…

> The people complaining that Cloudflare hosts these criminals would be the first ones complaining that Cloudflare has too much power when taking down websites it doesn’t like.

It'd be interesting if you could point to a single example of someone taking both sides. I strongly doubt these are the same people.

Re: Cloudflare loses 22% of its domains in Freenom .tk shutdown

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Post by Caligatio »

AlienRobot wrote: post #71
lolinder wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is a global system that spans ~all jurisdictions, and most internet criminals live in jurisdictions that don't prosecute internet crimes as long as the bad actors leave citizens of their own country alone. So they're criminals as far as the US and allies are concerned, but de facto not criminals where they live. If they're going to be locked out of the system, it has to be by the infrastructure, because…

I see. Perhaps there should be a legal framework to get the government to demand companies like cloudflare stop serving these international criminals, then. That way it wouldn't depend on a private entity making the judgement. Do you ever think it's weird that we have gone through web 1.0, web 2.0, semantic web, intertubes clogged with spam bots, web 3.0: crypto edition, and the dawn of AI scraping, and we still have…

Which government do you mean when you say "the government"? Any national government? Only the US government? Only governments in which the US is friendly and/or has agreements with?

Would you want authoritarian governments to be able to demand Cloudflare stop serving those they consider criminals that are outside their borders?

International law is messy.

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