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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Might be a good idea to make these kinds of statements in a more public manner on the socials. @ing the company your commenting against as well as any local police, FBI, or other pertinent TLAs. Let the opposition know they are no longer operating in the shadows. Of course the TLAs won't actively do anything about it proactively, but maybe it'll give more credence than the grieving friend's say-so later??? Have it in…

TLA = three letter agency?

yes. it's a rather common three letter acronym used as an all encompassing way to refer to government agencies commonly known by their own three letter acronyms: FBI, CIA, NSA, DoD, DoJ, ATF, CDC etc

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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I am incredibly skeptical of the hypothesis that this might be a murder. Asking a few key questions makes it clear how dubious it is:

Most importantly, who's gun was it? If it was someone else's gun, sure, it's a murder, but I think we'll find that the gun was Barnett's. And if so, we have to ask, how did the murderer manage to kill Barnett with his own gun?

How did the killer get into the truck? We can assume the killer had to be in the truck, since the alternative (killing Barnett elsewhere and dragging the body through a Holiday Inn parking lot into the driver's seat) is absurd. Did they get lucky and try the door, finding it to be open? If so, wouldn't there be signs of a struggle when a stranger enters your vehicle? Or did they get in because they know Barnett, and he let them in (in which case, they won't have an alibi)?

Why commit a murder in a public location? I won't be surprised if the Holiday Inn parking lot was being surveilled.

The fact that the gun was found in his hand, and the timing of the murder, do seem like pretty big coincidences. But I think it's easier to chalk these up to coincidences than it is to answer the above questions. Additionally, per his Wikipedia page, he suffered from PTSD and anxiety attacks. These don't guarantee that he's suicidal, but it's not the picture of perfect mental health either.

I'm very interested if anyone thinks they have a good explanation of how this could have taken place as a murder.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one side I agree with you, on the other, such statements are far from conclusive proof of anything. Let's make a small mental exercise: - you end up being a whistleblower against your company - every of your former friends hates you, your family isn't super supportive either for what you caused to the rest of the family (in reputation, attention, possibly financially) - you decide to end it - you leave such statem…

> every of your former friends hates you Ah yes, people hate it when people call out corruption that results in the planes they fly to kill people! >your family isn't super supportive either for what you caused to the rest of the family (in reputation, attention, possibly financially) Again, I agree their neighbors and friends must have been super pissed when he called out Boeing for building dangerous planes that ca…

actually, most people prefer the ignorance is bliss style of life like flamingos with their heads in the sand. your coming around and making me think about things really puts a damper in my plans, and quite honestly, it makes my head hurt. from now on, i'm no longer going to add you to my invite list just to avoid you telling me more things as well as no longer accepting your invites. i will change your contact in my device to include "ostracized" so i don't forget /s

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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post #350

At some level it is hard to contemplate a conspiracy to silence a whistleblower, but on the other hand: https://www.wcvb.com/article/ebay-employees-who-sent-live-sp...

No it isn't.

Snitches get stitches is as true in the boardroom as it is on the streets. Y'all just haven't seen the wrath of a psychopathic type with something to lose scorned.

Perceived betrayal starts wars, divides families, and gets people killed. We're talking killing 1 guy to prevent or forestall millions to billions in damages, and years in prison for very rich, high profile, powerful people with stakes in one of the biggest money printers in the U.S.

If you think there aren't people who'd gladly make that trade through a proxy that'd whack somebody for a cool 100,000 in a Cayman island or virgin island bank somewhere, taxed and covered by a faked up janitorial contract for a real, yet infrequently occupied warehouse somewhere, you're only deluding yourselves.

You'd qualify as, what's the phrase? "Disney adults."

Doesn't mean the whistleblowing wasn't worth doing. Give 'em hell Barnett.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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post #350

At some level it is hard to contemplate a conspiracy to silence a whistleblower, but on the other hand: https://www.wcvb.com/article/ebay-employees-who-sent-live-sp...

“a book about surviving the loss of a spouse show up at their door“

Corporate America is a lot more thuggish than its defenders want you to know.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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post #364

What would be the point of killing someone to silence them after they already spoke? The timing makes no sense.

Its very telling that the major corporate news site chose to frame it as suicide “after” testifying when in fact he was found dead just hours before he was scheduled to give more testimony. They just as easily could have said he was found dead before scheduled testimony.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, how do you take down some blog, if there is no legal base for it, because all the content was obvious legal? If there would have been a legal angle, they would have send out lawyers letters instead. That was apparently not an option, so crime was the only way to go. And that no one at the top gets prosecuted for this, is quite disappointing.

> Well, how do you take down some blog, if there is no legal base for it, because all the content was obvious legal? We will never know the answer because the chief communication officer choose to contact the security department instead of the legal department.

Actually....he did contact the legal department too.

Court documents show eBay's Chief Legal Officer Marie Oh Huber was copied on the infamous Whatever It Takes email from Chief Communications Officer Steve Wymer wherein he referred to the twitter user Fidomaster/unsuckeBay (a frequent commenter and source for the blog) and the owners of the blog and said:

"I am utterly vexed by this! This twitter account dominates our social narrative with his CONSTANT obsession with trolling us. It's more than annoying, it's very damaging. There are a few people (this guy and the eComercebytes gal) infatuated with eBay who have seemingly dedicated their lives to erroneously trashing us as a way to build their own brand - or even build a business. It's genuinely unfair and causes tremendous damage because we look bad fighting back in public and standing up for ourselves. If we could engage, I'd welcome the fight and we have a lot of facts and truth to win with. But, instead we take shots broadside and sit on our powder. This issue gives me ulcers, harms employee moral, and trickles into everything about our brand. I genuinely believe these people are acting out of malice and ANYTHING we can do to solve it should be explored. Somewhere, at some point, someone chose to let this slide. It has grown to a point that is absolutely unacceptable. It's the "blind eye toward graffiti that turns into mayhem" syndrome and I'm sick about it. Whatever. It. Takes."

Oh Huber also engaged in multiple emails back and forth on the topic of Fidomaster/UnsuckeBay in particular as both her and Wymer had attempted to get Twitter to "kill" the account but had been unable to do so because, as mentioned above, there was not a strong legal basis for it.

And in fact at one point when Security Director Jim Baugh said he was investigating to try to identify the person behind the account and was making progress, Oh Huber replied with a smiley emoji and said "Thanks Jim, in light of this, I'll hold off on sending any letter."

Baugh's investigation included creating a fake Twitter account pretending to be an ex-eBay employee who engaged with Fidomaster/unsuckeBay to try to find some "connection" to EcommerceBytes and when that didn't work, part of the plan for escalating to all the crazy deliveries, online harassment and doxing, and in person stalking was a "White Knight Strategy" he hoped could convince the Steiners to "out" Fidomaster/unsuckeBay.

Per Assistant U.S. Attorney Seth B. Kosto:

"The campaign targeted victims one and two for their roles in publishing a newsletter that reported on issues of interest to eBay sellers. Senior executives at eBay were frustrated with the newsletter's tone and content and with the tone and content of comments that appeared underneath the newsletter's articles online.

The harassment campaign arose from communications between those senior executives and Mr. Baugh, who was at that time eBay's senior security employee. Mr. Baugh intended for the harassment and intimidation to distract the victims from publishing the newsletter, to change the newsletter's coverage of eBay, and ultimately to enable eBay to contact the victims to offer assistance with the harassment, what the government has called a White Knight strategy.

The White Knight strategy would earn goodwill with the victims, such that they might help eBay learn the identity of Fidomaster, an anonymous online persona who frequently posted negative comments about eBay underneath the newsletter's articles, and thereby allow eBay to discredit both Fidomaster and the victims."

Inexplicably, not only did Oh Huber keep her job after all this, but the entire security department at eBay was moved from Global Ops to Legal after their "internal investigation" into the scandal, putting it under her purview going forward.

Oh Huber has not been named in either the criminal or civil cases in this matter, but last week she did announce she was stepping down to "pursue a new chapter in her career, while exploring personal interests and passions" - which may or may not be related to the $3 Million fine and 3 years of compliance monitoring eBay will undergo as part of a deal they recently struck with the DOJ to try to avoid further criminal prosecution for the company or to the fact that discovery is moving forward in the civil case and more emails or other internal documents could soon become part of the public record.

https://www.valueaddedresource.net/ebay-chief-legal-officer-...

https://www.valueaddedresource.net/ebay-cyberstalking-scanda...

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