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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
About 3% of the male population has Antisocial Personality Disorder (ie, sociopathy). That could be described as normal - we're talking 1 person in 33. You'd probably meet one at a party. Nature no doubt builds some people to be killers. Now most of them aren't going to kill anyone because that would be dumb. But that is a pretty decent pool of people who would consider the idea for money.
3% strikes me as a pretty extreme minority, which makes it seem like the opposite of ‘normal.’ They might be more common than most people think (IE, 1 in 33), but that isn’t something that makes them normal.
3% is 3465 Boeing employees. That doesn't seem so minor.
150,000 * (1-23%) * 3% = 3465
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#333These kinds of things happen and the waters immediately get murky. Even those closest to the person in question are never really 100% sure. Reminds me of the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#... Richard Clarke's assessment seemed to carry the weight of truth. But only to a point. Just enough to engage the suspicions of family and friends, but no…
In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.
And yet murders happen everyday for dubious reasons. If some party has big incentives in a death then it is a moral duty to suspect that party first. Suicide is a special case (suicide rates are not far from murder rates), it is not the default one. The burden should not be on the family to prove it was not suicide, but on the party who has big to gain it was not them.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand what they're saying, I just don't know why they keep explaining it when its irrelevant to what I'm saying.
If you fire a gun inside a car, both people and the car would be full of gun powder residue, not just the hand that shot - I think.
... and that should be the same residue.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is the way of the world. Television, magazines, social media, etc do their best to conceal it, but it is always there in the background. It boils down to power. Boeing can make fighter jets, I can't. This is where the socialists err. "If we just take their money!" They'll make it all back within the year. "If we just had a law!" They'll buy legislators, bribe judges & law enforcement. If that doesn't work, they'll…
I'd say this is where the socialists are right, because they're actually saying we should take the means of production
The power is still there, as is the abuse. It just belongs to the government at that point. If anything, it is even worse then, since before we nominally had two entities with slightly different aims, and potential for a clash. Once it is all under the same umbrella, there is no longer even the appearance of checks-and-balances.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a poor take. People don't find themselves in this situation normally and we should not be expecting them to have TV-murder-mystery style hypervigilance.
>> TV-murder-mystery style hypervigilance. The tv-murder-mystery plot where Boeing killed him and he told ONE friend is much more likely? Anxiety, PTSD, and a hand gun. This is a recipe for a suicide attempt that succeeds from a purely statistical point of view.
But murders do exist and happen everyday. What makes it ridiculous here? People take the bad decision of killing another one for way less than that everyday.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Never heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, w…
Once in another company, the CEO told the legal counsel in a meeting, don't send me emails, do what is needed.
There is a scene in Antitrust (@8:40) where Gates says something similar while planning a murder:
>The cold, hard facts are that anything is possible.
>Anything, anything. You're just not thinking creatively.
>I have every confidence that you can do that, Phil.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#338Everybody understands that corporations use cartels to do their dirty work, right? Go work high level at an international commodities company and you’ll find that doing business with “the underworld” is required and that comes with connections to other capabilities I often see people say corporations arent as big of a problem compared to government because government has the ability to arrest and kill people. The ide…
It’s a huge jump from “Walmart hires off-duty cops for security” to Walmart having “the cartels” murder whistleblowers.
And neither of your links have anything to do with major corporations.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#339Don't love the source but this doesn't look great.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#340Everybody understands that corporations use cartels to do their dirty work, right? Go work high level at an international commodities company and you’ll find that doing business with “the underworld” is required and that comes with connections to other capabilities I often see people say corporations arent as big of a problem compared to government because government has the ability to arrest and kill people. The ide…
It’s a huge jump from “Walmart hires off-duty cops for security” to Walmart having “the cartels” murder whistleblowers. And neither of your links have anything to do with major corporations.
Walmart is way too careful for any of that so they’re not playing in those realms.
The point you should take away is that there is no actual distinction between the coercive capabilities of corporations and those of the state or in absence of a state, the ruling landlord/gang/dictator
Smedley Butler wrote about this in detail in the 1930s (1)
This is well documented in the Banana wars
States are, and have always been, the corrcion arm of the largest employer in a sovereign territory