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F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

luxuryballs wrote: post #38
zer00eyz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> jet that everybody wants. That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get 6th gen research to replace it. As for the everybody wants it bit, this is very true. Much to the ~~shargrin~~ chagrin of EU military industry. With one of our presidential candidates calling for us pulling out of nato, with us not backing Ukraine, I would expe…

I do hope we don’t end up wishing we had pulled out of NATO.

how would that happen?

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by [deleted] »

ipaddr wrote: post #18
giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

Wars are meant to end misery and suffering.

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Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by zx8080 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #28
samstave wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: Sorry - The article was about it took 17 YEARS to work out all these bugs... So - it reminded me of the thought of the 737max bugs that boeing is plagued with right now... --- I'm really curious to know how much of all these billions we are sending out to all these wars will come back to this project? Also, in a general aviation sense, I think all planes should have a link to their service records. I think that…

> service records should be required to be made public We’re still talking about military aircraft?

Tax money spent on it. Does it effectively make every every taxpayer citizen a shareholder? Shareholders deserve to know project spending and efficiency.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

samstave wrote: post #16
bee_rider wrote: post #8

It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

EDIT: Sorry - The article was about it took 17 YEARS to work out all these bugs... So - it reminded me of the thought of the 737max bugs that boeing is plagued with right now... --- I'm really curious to know how much of all these billions we are sending out to all these wars will come back to this project? Also, in a general aviation sense, I think all planes should have a link to their service records. I think that…

> all these billions we are sending out to all these wars

We are sending these billions to domestic defence industry, that will sending older equipment to various wars, and we are keeping the newer stuff

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by nicce »

mschuster91 wrote: post #11
rgmerk wrote: post #7

The F-35 first flew in late 2006, and they've debugged it enough to get it into full production...17 years later. In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of. Ridiculous.

That long availability is part of why anything aerospace, marine or heavy industry costs an arm and a leg. With dozens of millions of dollars apiece at stake and an expected service time of many decades, the economics make sense.

Wouldn't components get cheaper over the long term? Manufacturing must get better during the years and old tech should not be that secret anymore. 30 years to optimise the manufacturing line to make the same components? What I am missing?

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by ein0p »

pjscott wrote: post #24
giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

The US, and the allies to which it exports F-35s, are overwhelmingly a net force for peace in the world. There’s a reason why the phrase “Pax Americana” is so well-known. You can think of these as war machines, since they’re literally machines made for use in war — but you can also think of them as war prevention machines, causing would-be aggressors to think twice before, like, invading Singapore or some such unplea…

>> force for peace

The entire Middle East begs to differ.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by zer00eyz »

lijok wrote: post #15

Can someone explain what purpose a manned fighter jet serves in the age of UCAV? I understand with the F35 specifically it’s turned into a jobs programme, but why not turn it unmanned?

Its a fair question.

DO you really want nukes on a UAV? The last step in that has always been a human, and I would like that to remain NOT on a connection that can be remotely highjacked (even if a slim margin).

The question is will we get more UCAV in the f35 role. The answer is "maybe". It's not like remote pilots on a carrier are any safer from dying in a peer engagement than if they were in the plane. In fact you may make yourself vulnerable to a decapation strike at that point.

But why dont we have the pilots in, say Arizona. Well latency is a bitch, I'll leave it to Grace Hopper to explain why this is bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2uls6iIEU

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by gobins »

I wonder how F-35 compares to J-35 in terms of stealth. From the new generation of fighter jets coming out, looks like all the armaments are being loaded in internal bays. Interesting that all these designs are starting to converge and look very similar.
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