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F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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The F-35 first flew in late 2006, and they've debugged it enough to get it into full production...17 years later. In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of. Ridiculous.

That long availability is part of why anything aerospace, marine or heavy industry costs an arm and a leg. With dozens of millions of dollars apiece at stake and an expected service time of many decades, the economics make sense.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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post #7

The F-35 first flew in late 2006, and they've debugged it enough to get it into full production...17 years later. In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of. Ridiculous.

Military aircraft have production runs they can span many years (F-16 production turns 50 this year).

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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post #7

The F-35 first flew in late 2006, and they've debugged it enough to get it into full production...17 years later. In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of. Ridiculous.

> In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of.

Hmm?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

Seems like victory through attrition. It might be the only modern fighter produced for export in the Western world.

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It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

EDIT: Sorry - The article was about it took 17 YEARS to work out all these bugs...

So - it reminded me of the thought of the 737max bugs that boeing is plagued with right now...

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I'm really curious to know how much of all these billions we are sending out to all these wars will come back to this project?

Also, in a general aviation sense, I think all planes should have a link to their service records.

I think that service records should be required to be made public for ALL large transit modals; sea, air, rail, etc.

A restaurant has to publicly post their health score.

Thoughts

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I just thought of: there should be public data sets from the FAA with all service records for all licensed commercial aircraft - and an llm fine tuned to produce ratings and spot errors.

This I think would be an epic(ly) hard thing to do, however the current Boeing Catastrophuk ESP with the 'suicide' of the Whistleblower would be good leverage to force this law.

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Actually I asked BING to GPTify this thought more succinctly, and got a pretty pretty pretty good response:

For Boeing’s crash data over the last 40 years, I can provide a general overview. However, specific annual data might not be readily available in a single source.

Here’s what I found:

Here is every Boeing Safety event Since 1970 on the NTSB site

https://www.ntsb.gov/Pages/ResultsV2.aspx?queryId=d6cc0483-0...

Boeing 737 Accidents: As of February 2024, there have been a total of 529 aviation accidents involving all 737 aircraft [0]

Boeing’s Annual Summary: Provides insights into the safety of commercial air travel worldwide, including accident statistics [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

[1] https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/compa...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boeing-whistleblower-john-bar...

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Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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post #15

Can someone explain what purpose a manned fighter jet serves in the age of UCAV? I understand with the F35 specifically it’s turned into a jobs programme, but why not turn it unmanned?

Logically, if it was unmanned, wouldn't that result in less jobs?

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I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

Wars are meant to end misery and suffering.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

Seems like victory through attrition. It might be the only modern fighter produced for export in the Western world.

The price is starting to look right, too. I'm still shocked by this.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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> “Earlier today, the Milestone Decision Authority, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment, Dr. William A. LaPlante, approved the Milestone C / Full Rate Production (MSC/FRP) of the F-35 Lightning II aircraft with the signing of an Acquisition Decision Memorandum (ADM) after a meeting with the Defense Acquisition Board (DAB).” The language could very well be from some dark humor novel making fun o…

Hey at least they expand the acronyms!

That is normal and the acronym comes second:

Boaty McBoat Face (BMcBF)

Now I can use BMcBF and you have all the information you need to work out what I'm on about.

I'm pretty sure that "Usage and abusage" encourages that format.

The only slightly controversial aspect of my example is M vs Mc. Mc is already an abbreviation, so should it be repeated intact? For me, Mc is complicated enough as a contraction and abbreviation to warrant deployment in full, as I have done.

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