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F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by zer00eyz »

bee_rider wrote: post #8

It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

>> jet that everybody wants.

That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get 6th gen research to replace it.

As for the everybody wants it bit, this is very true. Much to the ~~shargrin~~ chagrin of EU military industry. With one of our presidential candidates calling for us pulling out of nato, with us not backing Ukraine, I would expect that the f35 is the last major military product we sell in the EU this way. And for as much as I might not love it, that spending is a large part of our exports and economy.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by tragiclos »

rgmerk wrote: post #7

The F-35 first flew in late 2006, and they've debugged it enough to get it into full production...17 years later. In the private sector, you'd no longer be able to buy the components it's built out of. Ridiculous.

Aerospace programs can have extremely long timelines in the private sector, too. Variants of the Boeing 737 have been produced since 1966. While the recent MAX versions were flawed and Boeing has some real quality issues, you can still get service parts for the original airframe.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by carabiner »

zer00eyz wrote: post #21
bee_rider wrote: post #8

It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

>> jet that everybody wants. That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get 6th gen research to replace it. As for the everybody wants it bit, this is very true. Much to the ~~shargrin~~ chagrin of EU military industry. With one of our presidential candidates calling for us pulling out of nato, with us not backing Ukraine, I would expe…

shargrin?

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by pjscott »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

The US, and the allies to which it exports F-35s, are overwhelmingly a net force for peace in the world. There’s a reason why the phrase “Pax Americana” is so well-known. You can think of these as war machines, since they’re literally machines made for use in war — but you can also think of them as war prevention machines, causing would-be aggressors to think twice before, like, invading Singapore or some such unpleasantness.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by lokar »

ipaddr wrote: post #18
giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

Wars are meant to end misery and suffering.

That is always the claim of one side of each war, more often both.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by thisgoodlife »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

How do you think we won WW2? By praying?

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

ipaddr wrote: post #18
giraffe_lady wrote: post #9

I love to admire war machines on "hacker" "news" it is such an important part of our site's culture. Technology is always morally neutral, of course, even (or especially?) if it is explicitly designed to cause death and misery.

Wars are meant to end misery and suffering.

Wars can be meant to end misery and suffering. Not always.

And they always cause misery and suffering, even if they are just.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

samstave wrote: post #16
bee_rider wrote: post #8

It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

EDIT: Sorry - The article was about it took 17 YEARS to work out all these bugs... So - it reminded me of the thought of the 737max bugs that boeing is plagued with right now... --- I'm really curious to know how much of all these billions we are sending out to all these wars will come back to this project? Also, in a general aviation sense, I think all planes should have a link to their service records. I think that…

> service records should be required to be made public

We’re still talking about military aircraft?

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by roenxi »

tragiclos wrote: post #14
bee_rider wrote: post #8

It is wild that they’ve turned this project around from the avatar of wasteful defense spending, to the jet that everybody wants.

Seems like victory through attrition. It might be the only modern fighter produced for export in the Western world.

I'm most interested in what the unit economics here are. Inefficiencies in Western manufacturing are seem like they could be significant since the big threat in the short term seems to be a WWI style blow up by UN security council countries.

The US is basically broke and seems to be struggling industrially. It won't be able to ignore economics if it has to conduct a war against an industrial power.

Re: F-35 Program Achieves Full Rate Production

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Post by roenxi »

carabiner wrote: post #23
zer00eyz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> jet that everybody wants. That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get 6th gen research to replace it. As for the everybody wants it bit, this is very true. Much to the ~~shargrin~~ chagrin of EU military industry. With one of our presidential candidates calling for us pulling out of nato, with us not backing Ukraine, I would expe…

shargrin?

Presumably meant chagrin.
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