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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by chgs »

__loam wrote: post #149
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #92

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> Apple be maximally aggressive From an observation standpoint seeing how Microsoft behaved in the 90's and onward, they (Apple) are behaving very similarly - almost exactly with what MS did for Windows back then. I have a growing distaste for Apple corporate/mgmt each day even though I am surrounded by their devices.

Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming into more consumer friendly positions since the iPhone was released. It took years for them to simply switch to a more open charging port standard.

Before the iPhone and maybe blackberry the majority of phones used random proprietary charger. The iPhone was the first mass market consumer phone to come with a cable that connected to a standard usb charger.

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Post by lapcat »

selectodude wrote: post #184
freetanga wrote: post #114

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Watch as your shares slide down as you withdraw from one of the worlds largest markets?

The EU is Apples least profitable market.

Totally wrong. Europe is Apple's 2nd biggest market. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2024-q1/FY24_Q1_Consol...

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

elpool2 wrote: post #189
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #96

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> watching Apple be maximally aggressive Sweeney allegedly tweeted that he would breach his contract with Apple. Apple reached out and asked if he was being hysterical for public display. He didn’t clarify. At that point, Epic credibly threatened breach of contract. This is a commercial dispute between multi-billion dollar companies, both of whom charge outrageous platform fees, both of whom seem to enjoy being drama…

Do you have a link to the tweet from Sweeney saying he would breach the contract?

No. Graham says it’s this one [1]. I see no threat of breach, so if that’s in fact the tweet, Cook is off his meds.

[1] https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1765431238985187525

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Post by izacus »

mrtksn wrote: post #45

I wonder why Apple doesn't open up their platforms to have everything best on their devices instead of fighting and agonising developers and governments. Yes yes, the commission is nice but they might be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. I mean, Apple is amazingly good in some areas but in some other areas their products are used only because they don't give a choice and they intent to keep it this way. Th…

It is incredibly hard to change a culture of a corporation. Apple is not a thinking human, it's a bunch of people that have their own egos, preferences and wishes. It may not even be currently feasible to propose an idea like you have because the person doing so would be unpopular internally in Cupertino.

Culture is hard. This is why you see corporations and businesses fail constantly despite "obvious" choices being ahead of them.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #164
zshrc wrote: post #88

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We own this platform, (we built this platform), we make the rules I don't see the issue with this... it's not like they're exploiting an inherited platform like Oracle with (everything), IBM with Red Hat or Broadcom with VMware.

> We own this platform, (we built this platform), we make the rules I own my phone, I make the rules. If Apple doesn't want Epic on the App Store, fine. But their current level of control over what people can do with the devices they purchased and own is absurd and has nothing to do with market size.

No no, you see the restrictions are there for YOUR protection.

"Won't someone please think of the children?"

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Post by gizmo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #141

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What if, and hear me out, execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? Would they still be as cocky?

> execs could go to jail instead of just their company paying fines as if they're parking tickets? You want to send an executive to jail for cancelling a contract? I’d be curious for a jurisdiction to try this. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want to do business in a place where commercial disputes can be twisted by a political insider into jail time.

Do you want to send executives to jail when their products kill people? The line has to be drawn somewhere, and if there is no (functioning) regulatory oversight then businesses will absolutely not self-regulate.

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Post by abhinavk »

pimterry wrote: post #151
bustling-noose wrote: post #55

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The investors aren't interested in Apple selling more phones each year than previous. The investors are interested in people using the iPhone as a yearly or bi yearly upgrade cycle product in their life and giving Apple money without much bother and accepting it as a part of culture, especially American. I wouldn't have thought India, a country that is so price sensitive, would be a place you find so many iPhones. Bu…

> I wouldn't have thought India, a country that is so price sensitive, would be a place you find so many iPhones. But Indians love what America does and follow them blindly. This is extremely wrong. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/india suggests Android has 95%+ market share in India (and largely unchanged for years). https://www.statista.com/chart/22702/andoid-ios-market-share... lists India as one…

Our population is too large to even 5% be enough of a market segment. 5% is still a hell lot of phones. In Tier-1 cities and urban centers, you would see iPhones everywhere in offices and restaurants. Nobody cares about blue messages here but the phone itself is definitely a status symbol here.

On the other hand, Indian government loves doing what EU does. After USB-C and moving towards AI Safety laws, we expect a DMA-like law soon.

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Post by amelius »

mrtksn wrote: post #45

I wonder why Apple doesn't open up their platforms to have everything best on their devices instead of fighting and agonising developers and governments. Yes yes, the commission is nice but they might be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. I mean, Apple is amazingly good in some areas but in some other areas their products are used only because they don't give a choice and they intent to keep it this way. Th…

The point is not to create the best possible user experience.

Apple's goal is to build the best possible vending machine and put it in all our pockets.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by sojuz151 »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

The lose of revenue would not be the biggest problem, they could afford it. The problem would be the loss of applications, most EU based developers would stop supporting iOS and focus on Android. That would hurt
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