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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by lm411 »

k33n wrote: post #43

Apple should get out of the European market entirely. Their product offering is literally incompatible with the laws that govern EU commerce. There's plenty of money to be made in Asia/Pacific and the Americas. Apple's walled-garden approach is innovative especially on the security and stability fronts and anyone who doesn't like that or wants alternative launchers should jailbreak their ios device or just use Androi…

> Apple's walled-garden approach is innovative especially on the security and stability fronts and anyone who doesn't like that or wants alternative launchers should jailbreak their ios device or just use Android, which does fit better into EU market.

This how I feel completely.

I use quite few different devices & operating systems on a daily basis (MacOS, iOS, Android, Linux, Windows, FreeBSD) and they all have their place. I use a Mac for my primary workstation and an iPhone for my primary phone specifically because I want security, stability, and usability on those devices. Also, the Apple ecosystem & iCloud, are very convenient for sharing / collaborating with household family members.

Don't get me wrong - many Linux distros are very stable and secure. But the "year of the Linux Desktop" is still far out. I actually feel it's further out now than it was 5 years ago. Which is too bad, because I am an avid Linux user and have used it since Slackware 3.0 / kernel 1.2.13. Easily 50% time spent on my Mac is just using a terminal logged into Linux or BSD based servers.

If I wanted a single phone, for fun, learning, hacking, etc, it would definitely not be an iPhone. But that's not what I want / need in my phone at this point in my life.

It often seems that the people pushing so hard for Apple to change its ways are not the people that actually use Apple Products, but rather individuals projecting their own beliefs and preferences onto others.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by scottyah »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #75

Feels like a mob boss sending a message. "We own this platform, we make the rules, and we don't care who you are or how big you are, you mess with us we'll terminate your account and revenue stream." C'mon EU, do something.

Seems more to me like someone built a beautiful walled garden where people are walking nicely, and some rowdy pirates are trying to break it down because they see a lot of money inside.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by archagon »

twoodfin wrote: post #105
archagon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say what you want about Tim Sweeney, but he has integrity.

In what sense did the submarine delivery of functionality clearly in violation of their contract with Apple—the inspiring incident for all this drama—represent integrity?

It was very obviously intended as a launch pad for the lawsuit, not a genuine attempt to skirt App Store rules.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by freetanga »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

Watch as your shares slide down as you withdraw from one of the worlds largest markets?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by askonomm »

k33n wrote: post #43

Apple should get out of the European market entirely. Their product offering is literally incompatible with the laws that govern EU commerce. There's plenty of money to be made in Asia/Pacific and the Americas. Apple's walled-garden approach is innovative especially on the security and stability fronts and anyone who doesn't like that or wants alternative launchers should jailbreak their ios device or just use Androi…

As an EU citizen, I love Apple products and would hate if I had to use subpar alternatives like Windows/Linux laptops or Android phones, so I for one would like if this would end in a way that Apple would remain in EU.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by apozem »

Fin_Code wrote: post #7

Sounds like they violated a non disparagement clause and signaled they will not adhere to policy. All they had to do is keep quiet and launch to minimize their liability. Guess they will need to fight in the EU to see if they can claw back.

Apple's lawyer states no such thing, only that they have the right to revoke anyone's developer account for any time and for any reason. They believe Epic will violate their rules in the future and affect iOS users' privacy and safety, so they banned them.

I know this is the internet, and no one actually reads the linked articles, but I really wish people would do so before weighing in. You did not need to make up a non-disparagement clause.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

What will happen if they exit the EU? They will loose more revenue and tank their stock and Tim Apple will get the boot ad EU users will move to Samsungs, Pixels and Nokias and life will go on.

You're acting like the EU is some poor country in the outback and not their second biggest market after the US.

Or better yet, we fork Android and have a non-Google EU-only appstore similar to Huawei's Andorid fork OS and appstore but with EU's privacy rules. If so many companies bother to make apps just for Huawei's separate appstore, then they'll definitely do that for the EU as well. Of course, then Google will go bitch about it to "daddy", and the US will probably start a trade war with the EU.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by sillysaurusx »

op00to wrote: post #90
beeboobaa wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mysteriously not on the front page.

It’s not mysterious. Every time this happens it’s because the thread triggered a flame war filter.

That’s not true. A story can disappear from the front page for a variety of reasons, including user flags and manual moderator intervention. There’s no reason to suspect this particular story triggered the flamewar detector.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by BudaDude »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #100
s3r3nity wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite an authoritarian take.

Both sides are authoritarian. One is a private company with more money than most countries, one is an economic union nominally representing the people of many countries. I don't know where I fall on this issue personally, but siding with Apple is probably more authoritarian.

People defend Apple like its the underdog. Apple has been Goliath for almost a decade. Apple under Tim Cook is more about making money than it is about making the best product.
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