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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mlrtime »

mcculley wrote: post #569
flohofwoe wrote: post #500

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I'm not saying that the alternatives are better than email (e.g. at my job, Slack has replaced email for communication, and Gitlab/JIRA/Confluence/GoogleDocs is used for everything that needs to persist). The focus has shifted away from email for communication (for better or worse).

A point that I don’t think is being appreciated here is that email is still fundamental to communication between organizations, even if they are using something less formal internally. One’s nephew might not interact in a professional capacity with other organizations, but many do.

We use Slack for all of our vendor communications, at least the ones that matter.

Even our clients use slack to connect, it is many times better then emails.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

lynx23 wrote: post #464
flohofwoe wrote: post #424

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Email might already be 'culturally dead' though. I guess my nephew might have an email address for the occasional password recovery, but the idea of actually communicating over email with other humans might be completely alien to him ;) Similar in my current job btw.

But yourr nephew likely also uses TikTok, right? Not everthing the young do is a trend others should follow.

That's not really the argument, is it? The argument is most young people are using TikTok and will never use email for social things.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lupire »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #258
trimethylpurine wrote: post #218

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I think the contrast is that strict behavior norms in the West are not governed behavior norms in the East. One arises analogous with natural selection (previous commenter's take). The other through governance. Arguably, the prior resulted in a rebuilding of government with liberty at its foundation (I like this result). That foundation then being, over centuries, again destroyed by governance. In that view, we might…

It sounds like you're just describing why our watch-and-see approach cannot handle a hard AGI/ASI takeoff. A system that first exhibits some questionable danger, then achieves complete victory a few days later, simply cannot be managed by an incremental approach. We pretty much have to pray that we get a few dangerous-but-not-too-dangerous "practice takeoffs" first, and if anything those will probably just make us th…

AGI is not a threat for the simple reason that non-G AI would destroy the world before AGI is created, as we are already starting to see.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by jedilord »

sumedh wrote: post #418
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #133

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The benefit is the science, nothing else matters, and having OpenAI decide what matters for everyone is repugnant. Of course they can give us nothing, but in that case they should start paying taxes and stop claiming they're a public benefit org. My prediction is they'll produce little of value going forward. They're too distracted by their wet dreams about all the cash they're going to make to focus on the job at ha…

> The benefit is the science, nothing else matters Even if that science helps not so friendly countries like Russia?

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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lupire »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #405
goatlover wrote: post #386

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We don't have any evidence other than billions of biological intelligences already exist, and they tend to form lots of organizations with lots of resources. Also, AIs exist alongside other AIs and related technologies. It's similar to the gray goo scenario. But why think it's a real possibility given the world is already full of living things, and if gray goo were created, there would already be lots of nanotech tha…

The world we live in is the result of a gray goo scenario causing a global genocide. (Google Oxygen Holocaust.) So it kinda makes a poor argument that sudden global ecosystem collapses are impossible. That said, everything we have in natural biotech, while advanced, are incremental improvements on the initial chemical replicators that arose in a hydrothermal vent billions of years ago. Evolution has massive path depe…

So the AGI holocaust would be a good thing for the advancement of life, like the Oxygen Holocaust was.

Anyway, the Oxygen Holocaust took over 300,000,000 years. Not quite "sudden".

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by delichon »

AlienRobot wrote: post #570
eightman wrote: post #374

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The use case for AI was, is and always will be spam.

"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks." I can't believe this went all the way to AI...

Civilization is an artifact of thermodynamics, not an exception to it. All life, including civilized life, is about acquiring energy and creating order out of it, primarily by replicating. Money is just one face of that. Ads are about money, which is about energy, which fuels life. AI is being created by these same forces, so is likely to go the same way.

You might as well bemoan gravity.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mort96 »

elif wrote: post #583
mort96 wrote: post #575

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Nah, the harm from these LLMs are mostly in how freely accessible they are. Just pay OpenAI a relatively tiny fee and you can generate tonnes of plausible spam designed to promote your product or service or trick people into giving you money. That's the primary problem we're facing right now. The problem is... keeping them closed source isn't helping with that problem, it only serves to guarantee OpenAI a cut of the…

Pandora's box is already open on that one.. and none of the model providers are really attempting to address that kind of issue. Same with impersonation, deepfakes, etc. We can never again know whether text, images, audio, or video are authentic on their own merit. The only hope we have there is private key cryptography. Luckily we already have the tools for this, NFT in the case of media and DKIM in the case of your…

Oh I definitely agree that there's no putting it back into the pandora's box. The technology is here to stay.

I have no idea how you imagine "NFTs" will save us though. To me, that sounds like buzzword spam on your part.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by davej »

_heimdall wrote: post #582
davej wrote: post #479

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I think you're misreading the intention here. The intention of closing it up as they approach AGI is to protect against dangerous applications of the technology. That is how I read it anyway and I don't see a reason to interpret it in a nefarious way.

Two things that jump out at me here. First, this assumes that they will know when they approach AGI. Meaning they'll be able to reliably predict it far enough out to change how the business and/or the open models are setup. I will be very surprised if a breakthrough that creates what most would consider AGI is that predictable. By their own definition, they would need to predict when a model will be economically equi…

Read the sentence before, it provides good context. I don't know if Ilya is correct, but it's a sincerely held belief.

> “a safe AI is harder to build than an unsafe one, then by opensorucing everything, we make it easy for someone unscrupulous with access to overwhelming amount of hardware to build an unsafe AI, which will experience a hard takeoff.”

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lupire »

color_me_not wrote: post #361
kortilla wrote: post #254

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Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.

> Collectivism involves deciding for others. That may be true, but that's not sufficient to define collectivism. There are many other forms of societal structures where "deciding for others" exists as well. Unless you mean to lump all these together, and say that companies and tyranny for example are the same as collectivism? > If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. If I _voluntarily_ decide to join a "collectiv…

Remember: when a private organization massacres a population, or a democratically elected leader invades a country and steals all its food, it's "freedom" so it's good.
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