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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by color_me_not »

kortilla wrote: post #254
lovich wrote: post #242

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I remember when my family collectively came together to cook a meal when I was a child, how this deprived me of the experience of learning to bootstrap civilization on my own. Literally any time two people work together that’s dangerously close to collectivism as it’s not individuals working in their own. Down with the collectivists, every person should be an independent operator

Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.

> Collectivism involves deciding for others.

That may be true, but that's not sufficient to define collectivism. There are many other forms of societal structures where "deciding for others" exists as well. Unless you mean to lump all these together, and say that companies and tyranny for example are the same as collectivism?

> If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism.

If I _voluntarily_ decide to join a "collective", am I individualist or collectivist?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by sandspar »

de6u99er wrote: post #336

IMHO Musk just wants to slow down OpenAI, so his company can catch up. That being said, I am pretty sure there will be other conversations supporting Musks claims

Elon Musk has been warning about AI risks for at least a decade. Whatever his other motives, AI risk seems like one of his deeply held beliefs.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Falimonda »

Barrin92 wrote: post #353
Falimonda wrote: post #309

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Why is that such an insane thing for them to say?

because it's a completely made up claim with a random number thrown in. How do you end up with "5.5" years for a process that doesn't have a timetable, number of estimated emails required for EU accession divided by number of emails ChatGPT can generate per day?

What do emails have anything to do with EU accession?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Falimonda »

tsimionescu wrote: post #350
Falimonda wrote: post #309

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Why is that such an insane thing for them to say?

How is it not? How could anyone possibly know that number? And what gives you any inkling that it has the remotest chance of being true?

How about the possibility that OpenAI and the Albanian government - along with many other governments - have a relationship of which you're unaware?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by brtkdotse »

magnio wrote: post #6

> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

> He's just mad

This seems to be his natural resting state these days

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by sausse »

andrepd wrote: post #351
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #275

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The biggest real problem I’m experiencing right now isn’t controls on the AI, it’s weird spam emails that bypass spam filters because they look real enough, but are just cold email marketing bullshit: https://x.com/tlalexander/status/1765122572067434857 These systems are making the internet a worse place to be.

Generative AI will make the world on general a worse place to be. They are not very good at writing truth, but they are very excellent at writing convincing bullshit . It's already difficult to distinguish generated text/image/video from human responses / real footage, its only gonna get more difficult to do so and cheaper to generate. In other words, it's very likely generative AI will be very good at creating fake…

Half of zoomers get their news from TikTok or Twitch streamers, neither of whom have any incentive for truthfulness over holistic narratives of right and wrong.

The older generations are no better. While ProPublica or WSJ put effort into their investigative journalism, they can’t compete with the volume of trite commentary coming out of other MSM sources.

Generative AI poses no unique threat; society’s capacity to “think once and cut twice” will remain in tact.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by animex »

Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

by "betray", you mean they pivoted?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by leereeves »

Judgmentality wrote: post #259
boringuser2 wrote: post #192

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They literally created weapons of mass destruction. Do you think they thought they were good guys because you watched a Hollywood movie?

If you really think you're fighting evil in a war for global domination, it's easy to justify to yourself that it's important you have the weapons before they do. Even if you don't think you're fighting evil; you'd still want to develop the weapons before your enemies so it won't be used against you and threaten your way of life. I'm not taking a stance here, but it's easy to see why many Americans believed developin…

The war against Germany was over before the bomb was finished. And it was clear long before then that Germany was not building a bomb.

The scientists who continued after that (not all did) must have had some other motivation at that point.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by throwaway11460 »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #352
BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #299

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If there’s no advancements in alignment before takeoff, is there really any remote hope of doing anything? You’d need to legally halt ai progress everywhere in the world and carefully monitor large compute clusters or someone could still do it. Honestly I think we should put tons of money into the control problem, but otherwise just gamble it.

I mean, you have accurately summarized the exact thing that safety advocates want. :) > legally halt ai progress everywhere in the world and carefully monitor large compute clusters This is in fact the thing they're working on. That's the whole point of the flops-based training run reporting requirements.

Reporting requirements are not going to save you from Chinese, North Korean, Iranian or Russian programmers just doing it. Or some US/EU based hackers that don't care or actively go against the law. You can rent large botnets or various pieces of cloud for few dollars today, doesn't even have to be a DC that you could monitor.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

Falimonda wrote: post #364
tsimionescu wrote: post #350

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How is it not? How could anyone possibly know that number? And what gives you any inkling that it has the remotest chance of being true?

How about the possibility that OpenAI and the Albanian government - along with many other governments - have a relationship of which you're unaware?

Uh huh. And they arrived at this 5.5 number how?

It's bullshit.

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