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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Cacti wrote: post #66
Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

Their early decision to not open source their models was the most obvious sign of their intentions. Too dangerous? Seriously? Who the fuck did/do they think they are? Jesus? Sam Altman is going to sit there in his infinite wisdom and be the arbiter of what humanity is mature enough to handle? The amount of kool aid that is being happily drank at openai is astounding. It’s like crypto scams but everyone has a PhD.

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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by xetplan »

enriquec wrote: post #208
ajisiekskaiek wrote: post #153

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You are advocating here for an unresolvable set of ethics, which just happens to be one that conveniently leaves abuse of AI on the table. You take as an axiom of your ethical system the absolute right to create and propagate in public these AI technologies regardless of any externalities and social pressures created. It is of course an ethical system primarily and exclusively interested in advancing the individual a…

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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by xetplan »

enriquec wrote: post #208
ajisiekskaiek wrote: post #153

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You are advocating here for an unresolvable set of ethics, which just happens to be one that conveniently leaves abuse of AI on the table. You take as an axiom of your ethical system the absolute right to create and propagate in public these AI technologies regardless of any externalities and social pressures created. It is of course an ethical system primarily and exclusively interested in advancing the individual a…

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Lol of course you get downvoted by a bunch of well off software engineers.

So many here are so fucking full of shit.

"I make 150k a year man, its not fair man, we need more communism"

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by westhanover »

hef19898 wrote: post #491
WalterBright wrote: post #480

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Britain would have lost WW1 and WW2 without massive US support. The WW1 Germans were not amazed by British soldiers' supplies and health. They were amazed by the US soldiers' supplies and health. > Finally, the US war economy of WW2 was decidedly not free FDR mobilized existing free market businesses to convert to war production. It was not a collective, nor was it forced labor. For example, Ford switched from produc…

This is basically all wrong, except the Ford switching to planes and tanks bit. And you are aware, that France was a major biligerent in WW1, stopped Germany at Verdun and held more than half the Western Front, sucessfully after the race to the sea ended, together with Britain, for years before the US showed up? Or that the Ententene, without significant US participation, won the strategic victory that defeated Germa…

You can choose to remember the past any way you wish. Don’t be surprised when people start ignoring you because of your warped view on the world.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mort96 »

elif wrote: post #56
Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

>they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. I think this part is proving itself to be an understandable but false perspective. The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor und…

Nah, the harm from these LLMs are mostly in how freely accessible they are. Just pay OpenAI a relatively tiny fee and you can generate tonnes of plausible spam designed to promote your product or service or trick people into giving you money. That's the primary problem we're facing right now.

The problem is... keeping them closed source isn't helping with that problem, it only serves to guarantee OpenAI a cut of the profits caused by the spam and scams.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by boruto »

gandutraveler wrote: post #508
Jensson wrote: post #112

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He was right though, they did have a dramatic change in execution and resources the next couple of years when they prepared to sell out to Microsoft and that gave them a chance. Elon really gave them good advice there, even if it was snarky.

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That's not what he said.

I am not sure how to report, but this user name is offensive. In English it means f***ot.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by initplus »

ActorNightly wrote: post #471
Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

>They're probably right that building AGI will require a ton of computational power, and that it will be very expensive Eh. Humans have about 1.5 * 10 ^ 14 synapses (i.e connections between neurons). Assume all the synapses are firing (highly unlikely to be the case in reality), and the average firing speed is 0.05ms (there are chemical synapses that are much slower, but we take the fastest speed of the electrical sy…

Inference compute costs and training compute costs aren’t the same. Training costs are an order of magnitude higher.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by leereeves »

pama wrote: post #559
leereeves wrote: post #403

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At one time their mission statement said: > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact. That's obviously changed to "let's make lots of…

I still do not see the point that you are trying to make. Do you think that their current path is somehow constrained (instead of unconstrained) by a need to generate financial returns? I haven’t seen any evidence of a change to the core mission described in the statement.

Do you think the employees they've given PPUs to aren't expecting a financial return?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by sva_ »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #203
chatmasta wrote: post #185

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Ilya's justification for that argument was to link to a SlateStarCodex blog post. We are doomed...

What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before

> I’ve never heard of them before

Begin here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by penjelly »

jbc1 wrote: post #417
Atotalnoob wrote: post #203

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What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before

Lucky you! It's some of the best content on the internet. My favourite blog for sure. Same guy has continued on with his writing at https://www.astralcodexten.com which is also pretty good but doesn't reach the same highs. What's wrong with it in context though is that as great as it is, it's just some guys blog. It's disconcerting that people would be working on technology they think is more dangerous than nuclear w…

nobody said thats the only argument Ilya had, but the points from scott alexander are legitimate and could be addressed even before hiring scott on or having an academic paper written.
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