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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by fzzzy »

lynx23 wrote: post #458
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #275

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The biggest real problem I’m experiencing right now isn’t controls on the AI, it’s weird spam emails that bypass spam filters because they look real enough, but are just cold email marketing bullshit: https://x.com/tlalexander/status/1765122572067434857 These systems are making the internet a worse place to be.

Thanks Meta for releasing llama. One of the most questionable releases in the past years. Yes, I know, its fun to play with LocalLLM, and maybe reason enought o downvote this to hell. But there is also the other side, that free models like this enabled text pollution, which we now have. Did I already say "Thanks Meta"?

What? How do OpenAI and Antrhropic and Mistral API access contribute less to text pollution?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lupusreal »

ben_w wrote: post #546
lupusreal wrote: post #534

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Your code because you own it. If LLM hackers are rampant as you fear then people will respond by telling their code writing LLMs to get their shit together and check the code for vulnerabilities.

> Your code because you own it. I code because I'm good at it, enjoy it, and it pays well. I recommend against 3rd party libraries because they give me responsibility without authority — I'd own the problem without the means to fix it. Despite this, they're a near-universal in our industry. > If LLM hackers are rampant as you fear then people will respond by telling their code writing LLMs to get their shit together…

I never asked you why you code, this conversation isn't, or wasn't, about your hobbies. You proposed a future in which every skiddy has a hacking LLM and they're using it to attack tons of stuff written by LLMs. If hacking LLMs and code writing LLMs both proliferate then the obvious resolution is for the code writing LLMs to employ hacking LLMs in verifying their outputs.

Existing vulnerable code will be vulnerable, yes. We already live in a reality in which script kiddies trivially attack old outdated systems. This is the status quo, the addition of hacking LLMs changes little. Insofar as more systems are broken, that will increase the pressure to update those systems.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by blackoil »

carlossouza wrote: post #108
magnio wrote: post #6

> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

> The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science... Based on this line of reasoning, ANY company that builds any given technology and intends to share (sell) it to the world, but not divulge how it was done, can call itself OpenWhatever. They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

Does 'Open' means anything in legal sense? It may not be in bad taste but it is your interpretation.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lewhoo »

sausse wrote: post #366
andrepd wrote: post #351

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Generative AI will make the world on general a worse place to be. They are not very good at writing truth, but they are very excellent at writing convincing bullshit . It's already difficult to distinguish generated text/image/video from human responses / real footage, its only gonna get more difficult to do so and cheaper to generate. In other words, it's very likely generative AI will be very good at creating fake…

Half of zoomers get their news from TikTok or Twitch streamers, neither of whom have any incentive for truthfulness over holistic narratives of right and wrong. The older generations are no better. While ProPublica or WSJ put effort into their investigative journalism, they can’t compete with the volume of trite commentary coming out of other MSM sources. Generative AI poses no unique threat; society’s capacity to “t…

> Generative AI poses no unique threat;

While the threat isn't unique the magnitude of the threat is. This is why you can't argue in court the threat of a car crash is nothing unique even when you're speeding vs driving within limit.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by blackoil »

Spivak wrote: post #196
Jensson wrote: post #38

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Yeah, they are basically saying that they called themselves OpenAI as a recruitment strategy but they never planned to be open after the initial hires.

Why do tech people keep falling for this shtick? It's happened over and over and over with open source becoming open core becoming source available being becoming source available with closed source bits. How society organizes property rights makes it damn near impossible to make anything commons in a way that can't in practice be reversed when folks see dollar signs. Owner is a non nullable field.

By believing that since they aren't "MBA", economics and human behaviour don't apply to them.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by TheAlchemist »

averageRoyalty wrote: post #485
TheAlchemist wrote: post #285

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> Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. You sure about that ? For now they are largely looking away (and boy it's hard !) from his 'far right' adventures. But it was just reported that he met with Trump. And it's pretty clear that if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead and he knows it. So now, we have both of those guys, having something eac…

> if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead You know that Tesla operates outside the US as well, right? Where 95% of the worlds population live?

I know, yes. But US still account for a very big share of their revenues.

Check what happens to Tesla sales when countries cut EV subsides. New Zealand did it in January. Here is the data:

https://evdb.nz/ev-stats

The truth is, without subsides, Tesla would sell a fraction of what it does now, and it would certainly not be profitable (hell, it probably won't be profitable in 2024, even with the subsides !).

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by alickz »

hef19898 wrote: post #425
goatlover wrote: post #396

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I think they thought it would be far better that America developed the bomb than Nazis Germany, and the Allies needed to do whatever it too to stop Hitler, even if that did mean using nuclear bombs. Japan and the Soviet Union were more complicated issues for some of the scientists. But that's what happens with warfare. You develop new weapons, and they aren't just used for one enemy.

What did Lehrer (?) sing about von Braun? "I make rockets go up, where they come down is not my department".

Don't say that he's hypocritical,

Say rather that he's apolitical.

"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?

That's not my department, " says Wernher von Braun.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by KoolKat23 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #265
Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

If the core mission is to advance and help humanity, then they determine by changing it to profit and making it closed will help that mission, then it is a valid decision

That's like saying rolling back environmental protection regulation will help humanity advance.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mcculley »

flohofwoe wrote: post #500
BlueTemplar wrote: post #456

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Ok, I get how one might use a variety of other tools for informal communication, I don't really use e-mail for that any more either, but I'm curious, what else can you possibly use for work ? With the requirement that it must be easy to back up and transfer (for yourself as well as the organization), so any platforms are immediately out of question.

I'm not saying that the alternatives are better than email (e.g. at my job, Slack has replaced email for communication, and Gitlab/JIRA/Confluence/GoogleDocs is used for everything that needs to persist). The focus has shifted away from email for communication (for better or worse).

A point that I don’t think is being appreciated here is that email is still fundamental to communication between organizations, even if they are using something less formal internally.

One’s nephew might not interact in a professional capacity with other organizations, but many do.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by AlienRobot »

eightman wrote: post #374
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #275

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The biggest real problem I’m experiencing right now isn’t controls on the AI, it’s weird spam emails that bypass spam filters because they look real enough, but are just cold email marketing bullshit: https://x.com/tlalexander/status/1765122572067434857 These systems are making the internet a worse place to be.

The use case for AI was, is and always will be spam.

"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks."

I can't believe this went all the way to AI...

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