Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Meta outage

metastatus.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

801–810 of 902 posts

Re: Meta outage

#801

Post by qeternity »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #657
baby_souffle wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's almost never actually an outage impacting all of FAANG at once. Exactly. If you click through down detector when things are _up_ you'll see people still complaining that $site is down. Could be a local power outage or even a flaky connection in their own home. Down Detector is one of many signal sources and should have a "credibly" score associated with it that's proportional to the number of people complainin…

[flagged]

> do you really think there are masses of people who can’t tell the difference between a single sign on service being down and individual sites being down and reporting it to downdetector?

Absolutely without a doubt.

99.9% of people don’t know what single sign on means or how it works.

Sometimes I wonder what world HN lives in.

Re: Meta outage

#802

Post by TulliusCicero »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #800
TulliusCicero wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the company would miss out on surveillance based revenue. More than likely most of Meta's revenue from the Quest series other than hardware is based off of, y'know, selling games. I doubt tracking what games you play to target ads in the OS is more valuable than the money they make when people actually buy games. In Facebook or Instagram, you're looking at a space that they can shoot lots of ads into, and it's othe…

> More than likely most of Meta's revenue from the Quest series other than hardware is based off of, y'know, selling games. I doubt tracking what games you play to target ads in the OS is more valuable than the money they make when people actually buy games. Isn't that a great argument for why they don't need to have such a hard requirement for a logged in session? Consoles didn't have an internet connection for the…

> Consoles didn't have an internet connection for the longest time, though only because it wasnt feasible yet. They moved a lot of games.

Consoles had physical games. VR headsets don't. Consoles treat digital games the same way Meta is doing them here, I think; if you get logged out, no more games.

The problem here isn't that Meta servers are merely down -- losing connection usually doesn't mean losing access to your library of games on consoles, or Steam. The problem appears to be that authentication is failing such that you're actually being essentially logged out, which would definitely lose you access to digital games on every console as well as Steam.

Which, I mean yeah, that's a big fuck-up on Meta's part.

Re: Meta outage

#804

Post by practice9 »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #383
practice9 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless it's a recent change, it works perfectly fine offline (wifi turned off). As for alternatives, there is Pico, but Quest 3 may be superior in games selection. Or go wired which is of course less portable

This is different from it being offline, it's like the device is kicked off the associated account. A "something went wrong" window pops up with a "generate device code" button, with instructions on how to remove and re-pair the headset. There is no way to even access wifi settings or anything else to disconnect the device from the internet. If it's still a problem much later in the day, I'll try turning off my route…

Interesting. I had a problem a few months ago with DNS not resolving Meta servers on my Starlink internet connection, but I was able to use the UI and the apps nonetheless, just couldn't open the store or update firmware.

Seems like they really did change something in the latest firmwares.

Re: Meta outage

#805

Post by seppel »

Kalium wrote: post #732
seppel wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, getting there strikes me as pretty challenging. Automatically detecting a down state is difficult and any detection is inevitably both error-prone and only works for things people have thought of to check for. The more complex the systems in question, the greater the odds of things going haywire. At Meta's scale, that is likely to be nearly a daily event. Well, in principle, the frontend just has to dist…

Yes, assuming the responses are usefully different, accurate, and you get responses in a timely manner.

The "your username/password is wrong" message came in a timely manner. So someone transformed "some unforeseen error" into a clear but wrong error message.

And this caused a lot of extra trouble on top of the incident.

Re: Meta outage

#806

Post by ifyoubuildit »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #802
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #800

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More than likely most of Meta's revenue from the Quest series other than hardware is based off of, y'know, selling games. I doubt tracking what games you play to target ads in the OS is more valuable than the money they make when people actually buy games. Isn't that a great argument for why they don't need to have such a hard requirement for a logged in session? Consoles didn't have an internet connection for the…

> Consoles didn't have an internet connection for the longest time, though only because it wasnt feasible yet. They moved a lot of games. Consoles had physical games. VR headsets don't. Consoles treat digital games the same way Meta is doing them here, I think; if you get logged out, no more games. The problem here isn't that Meta servers are merely down -- losing connection usually doesn't mean losing access to your…

> Consoles had physical games. VR headsets don't. Consoles treat digital games the same way Meta is doing them here, I think; if you get logged out, no more games.

Again, consoles and steam do this because they want to, because it benefits them, and consumers don't put any meaningful pressure on them for doing so. It's not some kind of fundamental requirement. It's helpful for e.g. anti piracy stuff, but not necessary. It is 100% feasible to sell me a digital copy of a game and then not hang around on my system and watch me play it.

People let triple A PC games basically put rootkits on their systems. It's not like the games wouldn't work just fine (or better even!) without them. It's just that approximately nobody cares, and the companies will do whatatever you let them do.

Re: Meta outage

#807

Post by fmajid »

rimunroe wrote: post #551
jon-wood wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or people are using Facebook Auth for them. I don't really trust Down Detector, which despite the claims is really People Winging on Twitter Detector.

> I don't really trust Down Detector, which despite the claims is really People Winging on Twitter Detector. I'm confused. Isn't listening for spikes in complaints about outages a great way to detect them? I know for a fact some service companies monitor social media channels for this purpose (among others). I'd be surprised if that wasn't more or less standard practice. I've checked Down Detector for ISP outages in…

Well, Twitter was down for me at least. Google, on the other hand, was not unlike what DownDetector claimed.

Re: Meta outage

#808

Post by paulddraper »

redserk wrote: post #456
jon-wood wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or people are using Facebook Auth for them. I don't really trust Down Detector, which despite the claims is really People Winging on Twitter Detector.

Yeah, it's wild that it's now treated as an authoritative source, especially by some news organizations. It's as good as asking a neighbor what happened with a loud noise down the street. Sometimes you'll get something good, sometimes it'll be completely wrong.

It's as good as asking a thousand neighbors if they heard anything down the street.

Re: Meta outage

#809

Post by lazide »

ijwann wrote: post #755
lazide wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bwahaha, just wait until you see the shrapnel flying over the next year. You don’t think the steady erosion in system reliability and ever increasing outages is unrelated to these pressures do you? I’ve seen the sausage being made at the middle manager level in big corp for a long time. It’s never any one person/hiring decision, but the pattern and it’s impact has been obvious (and getting unavoidable) for a long tim…

> You don’t think the steady erosion in system reliability and ever increasing outages is unrelated to these pressures do you? Outages have steadily decreased at major companies. I don't know what you're looking at. Remember AWS taking out a good chunk of the internet many times a year because their east coast data center kept going down? Remember the fail whale meme-ing because Twitter was so unstable? Industry site…

Bwaha, so now everything is actually getting better and more reliable in big corp land!

I’m sure AT&T, Google, Facebook/Whatsapp/Meta, BofA, Apple, MS, and many others who have had prominent massive outages and embarrassing product launch failures this year will be happy to hear this.

Notably, Amazon is one of the few companies that has managed to avoid a lot of the DEI noise somehow. Perhaps due to their reputation for having such a brutal work culture already?

I can’t wait to hear what you’re going to say next.

Big Corp Software quality improving AND running faster on existing hardware?

Post reply on HN