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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #658
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #645

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their strategy included the Wii U, to deny that is to deny reality. I also wouldn't call the Wii U a failure. Not being as successful as previous consoles from Nintendo is not the same thing as being a failure. Nintendo profited from every sale.

Well, no. The Wii U is one of the two notable examples where Nintendo did sell the hardware at a loss. This isn’t speculation. Iwata said this in shareholders calls. ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20095125 ) The Wii was a breakout success in a demographic the market had never previously reached. It is def unrealistic to expect the Wii U to have recaptured that market but it was done about as poorly as possib…

What started all of this is the observation that they've been successful over the last 3 console generations by not trying to compete directly with Sony and MS but instead to try and innovate and make great games people want to play (game console vs entertainment center).

This doesn't stop being true because you want to label the Wii U as a failure. Many will tell you the Wii itself was a failure. Many don't consider the Wii U a failure.

Who cares, my point stands.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by pcchristie »

chungy wrote: post #215
Mad_ad wrote: post #124

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iirc they used a open-source emu on their snes/nes mini

Nintendo's NES/SNES emulators have always been their own in-house tools. The NES/SNES Classic consoles did run on Linux, and Nintendo published the operating system source code as required by the software licenses, appropriately. The emulators are not part of the source release, and very likely derived from the same ones used on Wii virtual console (possibly older, Animal Crossing had a NES emulator on the GameCube t…

Could be buying into the myth, but I read somewhere that there was header or metadata in one of the ROMs that basically betrayed that it had been downloaded from a popular ROM site. Is that not right?

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Post by Moldoteck »

aurareturn wrote: post #672
bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #604

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No, piracy is piracy, thats why we use that specific word.

Pirates steal. That’s why they call them pirates.

software piracy means "the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work.". It doesn't mention stealing. Stealing have a different meaning

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by anikom15 »

ddtaylor wrote: post #669
Uvix wrote: post #394

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That's impossible; the lockout chip debuted with the North American version of the console, so there couldn't have been known bypasses beforehand. The Famicom had no CIC. The lockout chip is what made the "seal of quality" scheme feasible in the first place. If alternative games were widely available, Nintendo wouldn't have had nearly as much leverage to strongarm with.

The minute the device was released in North America the lockout chip was already defeated by passthrough devices that took a "real" game and used that for the CIC bootup process. There were also multiple variants of voltage spike attacks and revisions of the console to guard against those, so it was certainly happening otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have wasted time changing the design. Also, look at the timeline and th…

The unlicensed stuff wasn’t nearly as ubiquitous as the shovelware from the Atari era was though.

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Post by anikom15 »

jonwest wrote: post #667
lobsterthief wrote: post #242

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I mean, to be fair, the NES lockout chip is what salvaged the video game industry after hoards of shitty games caused it to collapse. Obviously a lot has changed since then. Now they do it to protect their own IP and investments.

As an aside to this, are there any documentaries or clips or things to read about "retro" console piracy that necessitated something like the lockout chip? I mean at this point I know about flashcarts but I dont know a thing about back when the NES wouldve been new-ish, let alone before then.

The lockout chip wasn’t about piracy. It was about controlling licensing and trademark usage with 3rd party developers.

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Post by whmgz »

ls612 wrote: post #671
johnnyanmac wrote: post #488

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Valve doesn't really benefit that much financially from emulation though. Steam deck profit margins are probably razor thin given the cost of the competition (many of whom are in China on top of it all).

Doesn't Valve actually have an enormous interest in emulation? Their steam deck and linux gaming ecosystem is completely dependent on WINE and Proton.

I wouldn't say so. Valve's business is selling PC games.

Wine is not an emulator, and has nothing to do with projects as Yuzu, Dolphin, PCSX2 and others.

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

ls612 wrote: post #671
johnnyanmac wrote: post #488

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Valve doesn't really benefit that much financially from emulation though. Steam deck profit margins are probably razor thin given the cost of the competition (many of whom are in China on top of it all).

Doesn't Valve actually have an enormous interest in emulation? Their steam deck and linux gaming ecosystem is completely dependent on WINE and Proton.

Wine/Proton is not an emulator, it doesn't emulate a console nor architecture. Yuzu does emulate both an architecture (ARM on x86) and the console. It then requires dumped games and and system firmware to run, which are not freely distributable.

Wine/Proton is a community implementation of the Windows APIs for Linux, it uses no Microsoft code nor needs any. It runs binaries that Valve already has permission to distribute (the games).

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Post by delfinom »

ls612 wrote: post #671
johnnyanmac wrote: post #488

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Valve doesn't really benefit that much financially from emulation though. Steam deck profit margins are probably razor thin given the cost of the competition (many of whom are in China on top of it all).

Doesn't Valve actually have an enormous interest in emulation? Their steam deck and linux gaming ecosystem is completely dependent on WINE and Proton.

WINE's name is an acronym for literally "Wine is not an emulator"

Lolol

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

saltymug76 wrote: post #678
1970-01-01 wrote: post #297

Lawyers always kill the fun. Piracy and emulation is still legal in many other countries, however. Emulator projects should always be hosted in piracy-friendly nations. https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b6rpzx/here_are_som...

Emulation is legal in the US. Nintendo deserves to have their games pirated over this anti consumer overreach.

That's not how it works at all. If lawyers are applying pressure, the legally is still tied up in the courts, and unfortunately that particular emulation project isn't legal (in reality) until the matter is fully settled.
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