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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by wtetzner »

bitwize wrote: post #126
Springtime wrote: post #14

> The legal document claims that over a million copies of last year's The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom were downloaded prior to the game's official retail release. As a result, the company is now seeking damages and is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. Quite the leap from existing as an emulator to inexplicably being held liable for some independent leak.

It's called contributory copyright infringement. The Supreme Court only ruled that the VCR was legal based on a very narrow use case: if a television broadcast aired once and only once, never to be seen again, and the user could not see it as scheduled, they were legally entitled to use a device to record the broadcast and watch it at a later time -- once, after which they would presumably have to destroy the recordi…

> "But muh homebrew" -- people who want to develop for Switch can get a development license from Nintendo. The fact that this is an option would weaken developing for Switch as a legitimate use for yuzu.

Just because you can get a license from Nintendo doesn't mean the emulator isn't useful for development.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by superb_dev »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #467
ambichook wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you seem to be conflating "open" and "open source" nintendo doesnt have to make the switch open source to make it open, they just have to allow people to make whatever the hell they want for it, but their business model depends on it being locked down (closed)

A bit, but I don't necessarily mean open source either. My main point is that people call Steam "open" but they in fact do not allow you to make whatever the hell you want. They are infamously vague about what they do or don't allow and devs constantly have trouble contacting them when they have issues, be it getting a game on the store, enabling steam features, keys, abusive users, etc. Given all that this doesn't f…

I think in this thread we’re talking about the Steamdeck being open, not Steam itself. You can run anything on a Steamdeck, it’s just running Arch

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dt3ft »

Liquix wrote: post #379
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #359

When the game isn't be sold any more, along with the console, emulation makes sense. But the switch emulation for at least 2 years now has been more than good enough to run games of a current gen system, and you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game. The emulator also requires Nintendo data they're not actually allowed to ship (there's a number of resources to download it…

> and you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game. respectfully disagree. nintendo has fought hard to capture the casual/normie demographic and they have consistently sold more switches than M$ has sold xbox ones every month since launch. switch emulation is alive and well but doesn't jeopardize their position as the non-techie's console of choice. therefore they have taken…

Normie here. I will not be buying any more switch games now that I heard about this emulation thing.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by yungporko »

dt3ft wrote: post #483
Liquix wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game. respectfully disagree. nintendo has fought hard to capture the casual/normie demographic and they have consistently sold more switches than M$ has sold xbox ones every month since launch. switch emulation is alive and well but doesn't jeopardize their position as the non-techie's console of choice. therefore they have taken…

Normie here. I will not be buying any more switch games now that I heard about this emulation thing.

if you own a pc that can run emulated switch games and you can use it well enough to actually do it, you aren't a normie.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by andy_ppp »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #403
emeril wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gotta love the streisand effect!

I don't think Nintendo cares about bringing short term awareness. They want to choke out the emulator team and more or less freeze development.

If the emulator is open source how will it be possible a load of forks won’t be created!?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by pipes »

Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here.

Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platform.

I know for a fact that when I pirated Dreamcast games back in the day, I would have paid for at for some of them at least. I don't feel great about that. It was one of my favourite consoles and I probably aided in it's untimely demise.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by johnnyanmac »

viraptor wrote: post #281
Lammy wrote: post #94

Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

It would be amazing if Valve stepped up with legal funds/protection there. They do get money from people buying SteamDecks for emulation and well... free publicity if they take on Nintendo.

Valve doesn't really benefit that much financially from emulation though. Steam deck profit margins are probably razor thin given the cost of the competition (many of whom are in China on top of it all).

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by johnnyanmac »

superb_dev wrote: post #482
johnnyanmac wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit, but I don't necessarily mean open source either. My main point is that people call Steam "open" but they in fact do not allow you to make whatever the hell you want. They are infamously vague about what they do or don't allow and devs constantly have trouble contacting them when they have issues, be it getting a game on the store, enabling steam features, keys, abusive users, etc. Given all that this doesn't f…

I think in this thread we’re talking about the Steamdeck being open, not Steam itself. You can run anything on a Steamdeck, it’s just running Arch

The hardware argument makes even less sense though. People in these circles complain so much about native performance, why would they want to install Linux on a Nintendo Switch like the PS3 days?

Even if they could, it wouldn't let them play switch games better. It doesn't solve the clear problem here that is the super technically minded people wanting to play Mario and Zelda in 4k/60.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #398
_cenw wrote: post #305

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I found it funny that Linus of LMG endorsed this setup not because it is better, but because Yuzu doesn't hold your savegames hostage. If you don't know: you can't backup saves, they get written to NAND, not the SD card. you can however buy cloud backup, but only for games that don't opt out. Truly a problem of Nintendo's own petty making if even switch owners with a legitimate copy prefer to not run on their hardwar…

If you have a hacked console (paperclip with a 1st year console, modchip with later ones), you can back up your saves using a homebrew app (checkpoint) if you remember to do it regularly. You can also copy the saves off the console (or the emulated NAND you're supposed to create when hacking it) by running a different app (TegraExplorer) right from the bootloader. I had to do this when I messed up an update and my sy…

I didn't want to run CFW, so I have actually written a tool to back up and decrypt all saves in a single click given any vulnerable Switch in RCM Mode. It's been really quite useful.
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