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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by progmetaldev »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

While the site isn't being shut down, who is held responsible for the old content. What if new regulations are introduced? The site is most likely dynamic, so would at least require a full scrape of all content, and then placing all that content somewhere online (and that probably includes large images and video). Keeping the site going is probably not worth it for the ones on top that are set to be the only ones making profit from it.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by Scoundreller »

Marsymars wrote: post #443
simlevesque wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.2 efforts which grants you residual revenue for life. Doing it is a no brainer, but some people lack one.

If you're getting residual revenue on a website, at some point someone's going to figure they could get a bit more residual revenue by adding some ad scripts, and pretty soon you've got an entire stack for serving ads that needs maintenance and ROI.

I just let Google do that. Sure it's not max possible value, but return on effort is pretty good. Advertisers can buy through google and target your site. If you get enough traffic, you can probably cut a better deal (ok, that costs negotiating time, but if the ROI is there...)

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by 15457345234 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #388
jacurtis wrote: post #180

Its sad that Vice feels like they can only gain value from social media and YouTube. I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

I think the problem with Vice is not that they are moving to just social media / YouTube, it's that the whole segment news publishers is dying. If you are running an org with hundreds of positions, management overhead and other fixed costs that come with operating a traditional company, it's very hard for your to compete with the likes of Substack and other independent journalists. In fact I'd say that there are very…

> 10-15 years ago if you wanted to be a journalist you had to go work for one of the major newspapers, nowdays you can strike out on your own with a Substack and Twitter/X account.

That's not journalism, that's punditry.

What's new is considering people that professionally flap their lips about anything that comes into their head - no matter how removed from reality - 'journalists' when 10-15 years ago the term would have been 'outspoken lunatics.'

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by stemlord »

I liked the magazine-oriented things they did like the fashion do's and don'ts, the music reviews, the johnny ryan comic segments and the richard kern features. Their physical issues were pretty high quality for something that you could grab from yoir local spot for free. That era has been long-gone for a while now though, so this isn't a huge loss in that respect

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by dredmorbius »

ghaff wrote: post #338
dredmorbius wrote: post #317

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Site wipes also disadvantage job-hunting staffers who suddenly don't have a public published portfolio to point potential new employers / clients to. Though enterprising staffers may anticipate such moves and archive content as it's published to head off the inevitable. (I've seen this issue raised on previous site shutdowns, quite probably Gawker .)

If you care, you should be saving your own stuff in some form. If I counted on people saving what I've written in findable form I'd have very little left. As it is, I have most things I care about.

For public-facing journalism, a public-facing record (Internet Archive, Archive Today, etc.) provides some third-party credibility that what you say you wrote and was published online actually was written when and as claimed.

Keeping your own personal clippings file preserves words but not provenance.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by [deleted] »

cududa wrote: post #448
arsome wrote: post #419

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You weren't learning anything from Vice either.

Vice has done lots of investigative reporting. Two weeks ago I brought up one of their years old investigations in a discussion, went and found the article to brush up on the topic, my cousin and I spent about a half hour reading their articles on the topic, then we discussed. Yes, I did learn things from vice. I'm assuming your confusing Vice with a listicle producer or something. Your smug self-assured arrogant pes…

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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by bandrami »

massysett wrote: post #399
ewalk153 wrote: post #85

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Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

No no, the exact opposite. If this bundle of content is so valuable, then someone can make a business out of buying it. Vice could go to WeBuyOldIntellectualAssets.com and get a flat price for it all, and that company would host it or do whatever with it. The same thing happens with brands - someone bought the Montgomery Ward brand at a bankruptcy auction or something - and with store inventory: once the store goes b…

This is how Saks Fifth Avenue is actually, when you peel back all of the onion, the honest-to-God 17th century Hudson's Bay Company

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #243

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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by webworker »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

I never really went there but wasn't that site like 98% clickbait? Is there any value in keeping that journalism around?

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by berkes »

ejb999 wrote: post #413
berkes wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if that's a mere 0.1% willing to pay a dollar per year, that's still enough to pay a few freelancers

Actually, its only $18,000 a year (18,000,000 * 0.001). The would have to charge a lot more than that to pay anyone anything.

A thousand dollars a month pays for quite some freelance gigs though.

The Upwork/fiverrr economy is brutal.

Also, go ask a freelance writer how much they make. Or the girl in your coffeeshop or the guy behind the bar. There are many jobs that pay peanuts in Europe or America.

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