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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by freddie_mercury »

DennisP wrote: post #73
Scoundreller wrote: post #32

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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

I don't understand why publishers take down Kindle books when the paper book goes out of print. It happened to one of my favorite scifi novels. It takes zero effort to keep the book available (I know, I self-published a silly little one), and zero effort to include it in your accounting as long as there's a data feed and a computer.

Usually it is because the rights have reverted to the author and the publisher no longer has rights to publish the book.

Meanwhile, the author doesn't own the rights to the cover art/design so they can't just put it up either.

I'm not sure how else you'd want to handle it.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by a_gnostic »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #101
Scoundreller wrote: post #77

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This is why I post on slashdot. They've passed the test of time (but not UIs, fuck beta). Looks like their first posts in '97 start here: https://slashdot.org/?page=8582 dunno what their december 31st, 1969 posts are after that (errors? intentional de-ranking?) Newspapers have a bad history of "experimenting" with enabling online comments and then deciding the experiment failed and delete them all. You're a newspaper…

It's very depressing that all the comment sections from the late 2000s to mid 2010s are nowhere to be found. Also a lot of live journal type sites. Comment sections seem omitted from Internet Archive snapshots, but I find them in many ways more worthy of archival than the published articles that make the cut.

Comments from people actually close to areas mentioned in articles, detract from the effectiveness of /THE MESSAGE/ and had to be removed.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by simlevesque »

makeitdouble wrote: post #123
naet wrote: post #49

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I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

You still have to maintain the domain, and stay on the hook if the site gets overtaken/hacked/defaced.

I know that web security is a hard problem but I can't wrap my head around the fact that static content has the same issue as a Wordpress blog.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by pogue »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by resolutebat »

sfgunn wrote: post #102
resolutebat wrote: post #78

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What? Why on earth does Vice have 3000 employees? I thought publishing companies long since switched to having all their content creators freelance. Edit: I thought OP was exaggerating, but nope, per this random website they have/had at least 2,300. https://rocketreach.co/vice-media-profile_b5c6f6cef42e0cd9

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There are many labels I could apply to Vice, but I'm reasonable sure "propaganda darling" of the "real owners of this country" would not be near the top. Were you thinking of Fox or New York Times or something?

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by simlevesque »

dpezet wrote: post #112
Scoundreller wrote: post #32

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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

> "I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on s3" That is not zero effort. That is at least 1.2 efforts.

1.2 efforts which grants you residual revenue for life. Doing it is a no brainer, but some people lack one.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by jacurtis »

Its sad that Vice feels like they can only gain value from social media and YouTube.

I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

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