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Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Someone should create a bot that responds to highly upvoted comments and remind the redditor that Reddit is making money off the comment and the information is being used by AI and they aren't seeing a dime of it.

They are using a service that allows them to make their opinion public and publicised and to know other people's opinions. Or does that have no value now?

It does have value, enough value that the owners can sell that content to third parties and so reasonably I should get my cut.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Except you were "enriching shareholders" before. How did Reddit become so valuable and earn so much revenue in the first place?

I was enriching them by agreeing to view ads – not granting unlimited and perpetual use of my intellectual labor. One is a fair exchange of value, the other is highly exploitative.

Reddit sells ads first-party. They have their own Advertising Account Team, Advertising Platform and more.

The only reason Reddit is interesting to advertisers is the community. You can select specific subs to advertise to, interest groups, demographics, etc. You can get "laser" focused on who you advertise to, and offer compelling adverts to people highly likely to engage with your products/brands and convert into sales.

The only reason this works is because people like you have built those communities on Reddit by contributing your thoughts, opinions, experiences, expertise, time and more for free.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Exactly. If you don’t get value from HN, don’t use HN. If you don’t get value from Reddit, don’t use Reddit.

Part of what makes hackernews worth participating in is that the owners are not profit-maximizing and trying to extract the maximum possible value from the site. It's a trade: y-combinator, by cultivating a group of talented technical contributors, gets to advertise hiring posts for free and, in some ways, autistically contributes to the community. In exchange, we all get a place for thoughtful discussion with reason…

> Part of what makes hackernews worth participating in is that the owners are not profit-maximizing and trying to extract the maximum possible value from the site.

How do you know? Just because there is no ads doesn't mean they don't have any benefits from keeping HN thriving.

Also for me I like HN because of the content, not because I care about YC's motive. You are obviously different.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Every LLM almost certainly already is trained on Reddit from before 2015 when the entire site content was compiled for research. This is just adding in more recent content.

> makes a banter > gets a pedantic reply were you also trained on reddit?

No, I did my small part in contributing to the training data on Reddit though.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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I hope they're filtering it heavily and specifically. While Reddit does still have some valuable discussion in the more niche subs, I've noticed the main subs moving further left, hatefully and almost violently so. I can't wait to search for who the Republican nominee is, and Google tell me to kill myself.

> I've noticed the main subs moving further left, hatefully and almost violently so. I’ve not seen this. What do you mean?

here's a few examples

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/100j6md/new_year_n...

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/10t393y/final_upda...

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/17i5x9u/posts_rela...

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/17tszml/free_pales...

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/18jctpk/propalesti...

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1apxrbc/torontos_m...

Not even allowing discussions of crime and city-wide threats is completely asinine and the mods reasoning is that everybody who visits r/toronto is racist and can't be trusted to discuss these issues in good faith. Yet .. it has NEVER been tried and this "experiment" has been going on 2 years now. What I think is really going on is that the Toronto mods are lazy and using that to implicitly pushing an agenda based on what they allow to be posted.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Any ideas that make you uncomfortable are an "agenda" now.

Attempting to rewrite history and racism regardless of the race involved makes me uncomfortable yes. Do you disagree that Google had an agenda when they programmed their AI to do the things it does?

This is an interesting comment because we readily anthropomorphise every entity and fail to see Google as an umbrella for a group of people that may make decisions in terms of a democratic or autocratic means depending on context.

In this instance "The Google" has expressed "an agenda".

I disagree that individuals might have been trying to wrong society but unfortunately it's the measurable results and direction of the company as a whole that exhibits the agenda and in this instance it's quite a blow to the ability for society to record a factual account of history so it can learn from its mistakes.

This seems to be the case for the latest tech. in general, suddenly upending the taxi industry, forcing small businesses to pay the gig-culture delivery tax, AI mass generating content and creating an imbalance in creative output.

We have a fun decade ahead...

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?

A. Nothing said it was exclusive. B. Reddit's value is in the community more than the data. A company with Reddit's data but not Reddit's users is worth relatively little.

I think in the race for AI dominance that human generated data is extremely valuable. The community is valuable only to the extent that is contains lots of human generated responses on specific topics.

I’m not in AI research so I know I could be completely off base.

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