On one hand a measly 60 mill for Reddits data On the other hand they bought a poison pill Is whoever behind the decision making here blindsided by Reddit being a massive trove of data, and are not realizing most of that data is shit?
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Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
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Discussion on official post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471317
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#83AI is about to become really sarcastic, pedantic, and absurdly moralistic
Every LLM almost certainly already is trained on Reddit from before 2015 when the entire site content was compiled for research.
This is just adding in more recent content.
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#85Google is paying Reddit instead of just taking it for free like they do from all other websites?
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#86> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...
I think Reddit is accurately described as a site "with human discussion". It's another matter whether such discussion is organic and actually shows up in search results.
Is that like the taco bell meat that "contains" some meat.
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#87$60 M for absolutely cutting edge dick joke generation in next gen LLMs.
I question whether Reddit data is worth anything at all.
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#88> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...
Hah. In fairness, PR firms, digital marketers, "reputation management" experts, and SEO gurus are "human" too.
These days at least 90% of product-related discussions on Reddit are astroturfed, though, and that's for sure.
The main problem, among many others, is that it's far too easy to game the upvote/downvote system with bots, and most pros have bot networks of their own, or know how to hire them. The second problem is that Reddit "karma" is site-wide, which means that most "high karma" accounts that are sold on secondary markets are very useful for digital marketing purposes generally. The third problem... well... I could go on all day. Reddit's system is horrendous if you're looking for human discussion and unbiased advice.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. If you don’t get value from HN, don’t use HN. If you don’t get value from Reddit, don’t use Reddit.
Part of what makes hackernews worth participating in is that the owners are not profit-maximizing and trying to extract the maximum possible value from the site. It's a trade: y-combinator, by cultivating a group of talented technical contributors, gets to advertise hiring posts for free and, in some ways, autistically contributes to the community. In exchange, we all get a place for thoughtful discussion with reason…
> the owners are not profit-maximizing
Should we tell him?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Arguably Reddit's value is it's data Reddit has a chicken and egg problem - nobody knows what the value of it's data even is. They've never sold it before. You can sell pet rocks for 1 billion dollars, but nobody will value them if there's been 0 sales. (ask vs bid vs last sale price). I'm guessing reddit is rushing to sell their data so they can show that their data is worth anything at all.
> They've never sold it before. Do we know this?
I'm pretty confident they haven't until at least 6 months ago when they freaked out about api usage.
It's possible they've sold it and we haven't heard about it since then. I would think they'd want to brag about it publicly though.