This is dystopian. A company like Google will be able to surveil more and the only outcome is more invasion of privacy and more targeted ads. Why doesn't FTC stand up for this?
For what exactly? Doing something you don't like?
Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's arguably more true in advertising driven reddit than AI reddit - no one comment is going to be worth the most in a data scraper but eyeballs win in advertising. I think the entire thing is scummy too, but its interesting to me how people think that advertisers were somehow less bad than this.
It's interesting how you're creating an argument out of thin air. The article was about mining comments for AI, not about advertisement. Yet you brought in the topic of advertisement, and then created a fake argument about how people think advertisers are better than AI scraping. It's really weird that you did that.
And it's weird you choose such a confrontational tone instead of one that would cause someone to explain something, thanks for your contribution.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#93Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#94Amazing. It used to be a free BigQuery dataset. Apparently it was worth $60M.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#95$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?
1. It is pointless to compare total company value with an annual payment. 2. It isn't an exclusive license. There are dozens of companies training language models, and if they are all forced to pay the same amount then that's some serious cash.
I thought that's really cheap too. Tacking on "wiki" and "reddit" probably accounts for ~50+% of my google searches now. From that perspective $60M annually feels really low-- reddit search is probably a quarter of the value that google search offers me as a consumer.
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#96Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#97$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?
A. Nothing said it was exclusive. B. Reddit's value is in the community more than the data. A company with Reddit's data but not Reddit's users is worth relatively little.
No, arguably it’s worth some subset of $60M. That number includes future access, but it also includes a license to all that has already been written.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fairness, Reddit's built-in search works well enough that I could still find stuff on Reddit if Google croaked tomorrow.
Reddit search works effectively for you? I usually resort to using Google to search reddit.
I always search: xyz site:Reddit.com
And never use the internal search, I don’t know what gp is talking about. Reddit’s search is terrible.
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#99The lack of revocability, marginal temporal value, and downstream governance I think makes the prospect of more such data deals happening slim -- or at least, slim without regret.
I wrote an essay on this here: https://magis.substack.com/p/llm-data-sales-a-market-for-lem...
Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data
#100I hope they're filtering it heavily and specifically. While Reddit does still have some valuable discussion in the more niche subs, I've noticed the main subs moving further left, hatefully and almost violently so. I can't wait to search for who the Republican nominee is, and Google tell me to kill myself.
> I've noticed the main subs moving further left, hatefully and almost violently so. I’ve not seen this. What do you mean?
So, I'm only replying to give some color into that thought, not to start a flame war or debate, because it is a legitimate concern I have with using the site as data.
I'm not necessarily complaining that it's left leaning, it always has been in US parlance at least. My worry is that the tone as changed from disagreement to some form of disgust and hate, and yes even at times calls for murders. Maybe that's just the landscape now, broadly?
Just look at some of the 'mainstream' comments linked below. This is probably a 'both sides' thing, but I don't see the other side represented here and I would have equal concerns if it were in similar manner.
That said, I don't have a Reddit account, so just opened the site to see what it showed me. I'm not sure of its algo, as a lot of it is video games, but here are a few that showed up in the top 15 or so -
https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1axe9rk/darryl...
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1axas1q/...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesNews/comments/1axad5x/t...
head over to /news, and you see -
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1ax8mnl/tax_evasion_b...
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1axe1ac/darryl_george...
/politics, you get
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1axa6m9/donald_tr...
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ax49rq/alabamas_...