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Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#31

> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...

Didn't Google have a "forums" filter like 20 years ago? I can't seem to find results pages on archive.org.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#33
post #31

> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...

Didn't Google have a "forums" filter like 20 years ago? I can't seem to find results pages on archive.org.

You may be thinking of the Gmail default sorted inboxes

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#34

$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?

The flipside to this argument is that paying Reddit $60M to access data which was posted to the public internet for public viewing and consumption, by people who don't work for Reddit, is obscene and antithetical to how the Internet is supposed to work. Why on earth should Reddit get paid for this, especially if they're not giving the users who made the value a cut?

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point that a lot of Reddit is already astroturfed, but this is definitely the final nail in the coffin. Now SEO is coming for the forums, too. Wonderful.

In fairness, Reddit's built-in search works well enough that I could still find stuff on Reddit if Google croaked tomorrow.

Reddit search works effectively for you? I usually resort to using Google to search reddit.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#36

$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?

The flipside to this argument is that paying Reddit $60M to access data which was posted to the public internet for public viewing and consumption, by people who don't work for Reddit, is obscene and antithetical to how the Internet is supposed to work. Why on earth should Reddit get paid for this, especially if they're not giving the users who made the value a cut?

Because they developed and hosted the site and the users agreed to it.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#37

$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?

A. Nothing said it was exclusive.

B. Reddit's value is in the community more than the data. A company with Reddit's data but not Reddit's users is worth relatively little.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

#38
Copying this right from the Reddit TOS for all those who consider posting anything of any value there, present or future:

> You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

> When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

(https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-february-1...)

tl;dr: "We will be able to do anything we fucking want with anything you contribute to our site"

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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post #31

> Google Search is currently expanding the test of a "forums" filter that lets you browse through results from sites with human discussion, like Reddit Yeah, about that whole "human discussion" thing...

Didn't Google have a "forums" filter like 20 years ago? I can't seem to find results pages on archive.org.

It was called discussions search, and showed up in the suggestion bar with images and whatnot. I was beyond mad when they removed it. Everything's a circle.

Re: Google cut a deal with Reddit for AI training data

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post #29

$60M/year for GOOG to access all their data when they purport to be targeting a $5B valuation at IPO is really cheap. Arguably Reddit's value is it's data, and GOOG is renting it for 1.2%/year?

1. It is pointless to compare total company value with an annual payment. 2. It isn't an exclusive license. There are dozens of companies training language models, and if they are all forced to pay the same amount then that's some serious cash.

It’s going to be a sad day when /u/cumbuster69 doesn’t get the attribution they deserve for their excellent financial advice
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