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Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by epiccoleman »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #28
synthpop wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My read is that TV (or 'entertainment' as we've come to know it since the cultural explosion of television) still requires artists and/or professionals with some form of skills/vision in order to be made, but is ultimately produced by and for the enrichment of corporate giants at the end of the day. Under that system, works can still potentially be made which satisfy the interests of the artist, the corporation, and…

I don't see how someone who makes funny TikTok videos is less of an artist then someone working on a comedy show for TV.

Think it just depends. If they're, you know, writing a little sketch or something that fits into the constraints of the format, that's obviously more artful than cutting out a 15 second funny Family Guy clip.

But I think the bigger issue is that these platforms actually incentivize creators to conform to their formats. Look at the weird little "genres" that have popped out of TikTok / YouTube Shorts / Instagram, like short videos of some (usually stupid) "tool hack". These kinds of things do numbers because they're exactly what the article describes - a 15 second rush of "interesting."

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by solumunus »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #28
synthpop wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My read is that TV (or 'entertainment' as we've come to know it since the cultural explosion of television) still requires artists and/or professionals with some form of skills/vision in order to be made, but is ultimately produced by and for the enrichment of corporate giants at the end of the day. Under that system, works can still potentially be made which satisfy the interests of the artist, the corporation, and…

I don't see how someone who makes funny TikTok videos is less of an artist then someone working on a comedy show for TV.

To each their own I guess, but in my opinion one of these media forms has much more potential for deep quality. I have never seen a TikTok video that left a lasting impression on me, or I was compelled to rewatch years later. I would be shocked if anyone has…

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by neuralRiot »

Am I an abnormal person? I find “scrolling” on my phone utterly boring, even if something catches my attention the fact that it lasts a few minutes or even seconds totally detracts me from paying attention to it and leaves me absolutely frustrated. About “big studios” struggling, they love to churn garbage and endless sequels of a history seemingly written by a 6th grader, all show, no essence. Perhaps the general audience is not that stupid as they thought and the attention to bright and fast-moving objects only lasts for a brief moment but that gives a boost in the numbers and that’s all that matters.

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

gardenhedge wrote: post #30
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #26

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For what it's worth, my household has some strict rules—even for guests—about leaving phones at the entrance. My kids aren't allowed phones in their rooms, and we don't use phones in family spaces unless we have an explicit reason to do so. And even then, the phones typically don't leave the general area where we keep them. I don't warn people as they enter, but if they start using it in the home I'll say something l…

Honestly it's just rude to tell guests how to act. Yes ruder than them using their phones in a way you don't approve of.

I'm not telling them how to act. Rather, I'm telling them what's preferred in my home. I don't like if people to smoke in my home, either. Or wear their shoes in my home.

Someone could flatly refuse (some kids have), and I don't kick them out or anything. I don't appreciate it, but I'm not going to militantly enforce the rule. I just make my preferences known and try to explain them so it doesn't seem arbitrary.

edit: I should add that if someone needs to be in touch with their kids or something, I really don't mind. I'll keep my phone on hand if I'm expecting an important call or I know my kids are out and might try to get in touch for a ride home or something. In those cases though, not using the phone for other reasons is still a known preference. That's good enough for me.

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by lm28469 »

snikeris wrote: post #27
jonfw wrote: post #13

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Evolution is way too slow to handle technology. Social media is a problem of the last 30 years or so. Barring a bubonic plague type of event, there is no mechanism for evolution on this short of a timescale

I disagree. People exposed to social media will have worse reproductive outcomes. Fewer, sicker children.

Through what mechanism?

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by drekipus »

gardenhedge wrote: post #30
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, my household has some strict rules—even for guests—about leaving phones at the entrance. My kids aren't allowed phones in their rooms, and we don't use phones in family spaces unless we have an explicit reason to do so. And even then, the phones typically don't leave the general area where we keep them. I don't warn people as they enter, but if they start using it in the home I'll say something l…

Honestly it's just rude to tell guests how to act. Yes ruder than them using their phones in a way you don't approve of.

> Honestly it's just rude to tell guests how to act

Do you tell them not to break furniture, or swear in-front of children, or leave trash out?

This is the person's home. I also have no issues with setting limits on guests.

It means that my home is a safe place and everyone within it knows how to act. It also means everyone is welcome as long as they abide by the rules; no matter what their background is.

or to put another way; guests are not above the house.

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by jstarfish »

localghost02 wrote: post #19

What's fascinating about this article is that the very style it's written in is a symptom of the problems it's addressing. Nearly every paragraph is a bite-sized one or two sentence dopamine hit.

Interesting point, though I'd suggest that's more to do with shorter blocks of text being more legible on small screens. My eyes track where I am on the page by counting gaps between paragraphs.

Unless it's particularly evocative, I don't see what's arousing about text formatting otherwise.

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by amadeuspagel »

solumunus wrote: post #32
amadeuspagel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how someone who makes funny TikTok videos is less of an artist then someone working on a comedy show for TV.

To each their own I guess, but in my opinion one of these media forms has much more potential for deep quality. I have never seen a TikTok video that left a lasting impression on me, or I was compelled to rewatch years later. I would be shocked if anyone has…

Why would you rewatch a TikTok when there are so many new ones?

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by ajkdhcb2 »

This error really bothers me:

>How can pursuing pleasure lead to less pleasure? But that’s how our brains are wired (perhaps as a protective mechanism). At a certain point, addicts still pursue the stimulus, but more to avoid the pain of dopamine deprivation. People addicted to painkillers have the same experience. Beyond a certain level, opioid dependence actually makes the pain worse.

This is simply incorrect when it comes to opioids. With opioids, at some point tolerance hits a limit and the chronic pain patient (or heroin user) can keep taking opioids and continue to have a desired effect. For some people it is crucial for them to keep taking it and it really enhances their life by reducing pain. Anti-opioid propaganda has really gone too far.

Somewhat problematic for what the author is trying to argue.

Re: We're moving to a post-entertainment society

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Post by xg15 »

ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #39

This error really bothers me: >How can pursuing pleasure lead to less pleasure? But that’s how our brains are wired (perhaps as a protective mechanism). At a certain point, addicts still pursue the stimulus, but more to avoid the pain of dopamine deprivation. People addicted to painkillers have the same experience. Beyond a certain level, opioid dependence actually makes the pain worse. This is simply incorrect when…

Then why do you have an opioid crisis if none of this is a problem?
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