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Post by raydev »

baal80spam wrote: post #13

> You’re forgetting that 100 years ago photographers and filmmakers ended the careers of most of the illustrators, story tellers and theater companies of their time. And everybody adjusted, and storytelling and image making exploded, entering a golden age. There are still amazing portrait painters and theater companies today, but they are specialized art forms and most people have moved on. Today’s photography and fi…

Hard not to agree when you ignore any suffering during the transition period. Did they immediately all become photographers and filmmakers after losing their jobs?

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Post by seoulmetro »

DalasNoin wrote: post #71
scandox wrote: post #29

I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

You think making art is more important than making the very foundations of the world we live in autonomous is?

How can you even reason that.

Imagine an army of people with AI art makers versing an army of people with steam engines... who do you think will change the world?

AI is nothing compared to the industrial revolution.

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Post by seoulmetro »

tzs wrote: post #136
scandox wrote: post #29

I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

One thing about many of those past mechanical inventions is that even though they eliminated a lot of manual labor jobs in some fields, they probably created a lot of manual labors jobs to make the machines or obtain the resources to make the machines. So you might lose your manual labor farm job to a newly invented machine, but there will be a lot of openings for factory workers to assemble those machines and miners…

It's not fundamentally more disruptive. Because it's built on top of the disruptive technology.

You just proved how amazing the industrial and information eras were that they could extend beyond their timeline and into the future.

AI might be disruptive in a similar vein, but it's comparing giants to small achievements.

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Post by bandrami »

w4 wrote: post #138
joe_the_user wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Synthesizers are instruments. They allow for the same level of subtle input as strings or woodwinds. "Prompt engineering" exercise generally involves a few lines of text. It's hard to see how that's going to result in a new kind of highly skilled artist. AI produce the same level of greatness and/or mediocrity for essentially all of their users. This thread is like fifty variations of "it will work out (waves hand at…

> Synthesizers are instruments. They allow for the same level of subtle input as strings or woodwinds. Synthesizer instruments, yes. Sequencers, trackers, and modern DAWs like Ableton, absolutely not. They’re entirely different animals and are very much a musical analogue to “prompt engineering.” They have also enabled some incredible art that would be impossible if musicians were limited only to what they could play…

And specifically the earliest sequencers were step sequencers that were as simplistic as current prompts are (a 16x16 grid with each of the 256 notes set off or on and that's it). But as people explored the medium the tooling changed, which I also expect will happen with generative AI.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by bandrami »

fragmede wrote: post #118
bandrami wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old enough that I remember musicians panicking about synthesizers and samplers in the 1980s. And there are probably fewer working drummers today than in 1970. But without that tech we wouldn't have hip hop or house, which would be a huge cultural loss. AI graphic/video art hasn't found its Marley Marl yet, but I believe she's out there and is going to do stuff that will blow our minds.

but is there a market for drummers and saxophone players now that we have Spotify? In some areas of the world, yes. going out to eat, enjoying some live music, and happily paying for it is still how life operates. In other places, we sit at home with our apple vision pros and simulate what it is like to go out to eat and enjoy live music. culturally, something has gone wrong. we're all a bunch of digital addicts look…

It's a different market but it's still a market. There are people making money off Spotify and Soundcloud, including saxophonists and drummers. What's disappearing is the old record label A&R process where you "get signed" and are suddenly a millionaire, but that was never most musicians' experience.

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Post by vages »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

It might, or it might not. It might enhance many lives too. Maybe it's just the internet, but sometimes you have to wonder if there is a thriving neo-luddite community out there.

The modern use of the term Luddite is perhaps the clearest example of how “history is written by the winners”: The Luddites protested the wealth inequality and bad working conditions that the new technology allowed for, for example child labour. Their opponents painted them as fearing and hating the technology itself.

A good book on the subject is “Blood in the Machine” (2023) by Brian Merchant, which is about what the Luddites actually meant. The 99 Percent Invisible podcast recently interviewed the author: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/blood-in-the-machine/

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Post by joquarky »

> I’m 16 years old, I’m planning to go to college to become an animator. It has been my life’s dream to become an animator and to share my artwork with people, to create, to show love in every piece I make. And now, I don’t think I’m ever going to have that future. When I was 16 I wanted more than anything to be an astronaut, but reality got in the way.

Change is inevitable, so we all have to adapt throughout life. Fortunately, adapting one of humanity's greatest capabilities.

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Post by dougb5 »

65 wrote: post #57
lenerdenator wrote: post #8

Every time Sam Altman announces some new offering at OpenAI, I get a little more thankful I don't have any children.

I don't get it. Why? The entire point of life is to reproduce. Every moment in history has technological changes. Your fear is driving you to make poor decisions. Having children is a biologically good decision.

Hey I'll choose my "entire point in life", thank you.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by dougb5 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #8

Every time Sam Altman announces some new offering at OpenAI, I get a little more thankful I don't have any children.

I feel the same way, although I've been cheered to learn of friends at OpenAI (and similar big tech companies) who are having kids. If they're having kids, maybe I'm wrong to be so anxious about the future. I'll be glad to be wrong about the grey world they are creating.

Then again, their kids are going to be just fine.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by bigboy12 »

seoulmetro wrote: post #142
DalasNoin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

You think making art is more important than making the very foundations of the world we live in autonomous is? How can you even reason that. Imagine an army of people with AI art makers versing an army of people with steam engines... who do you think will change the world? AI is nothing compared to the industrial revolution.

Yap yap yap. The camera will ruin painters, movies will cause psychosis , dancing is gods sin, comics will ruin our nation’s youth , photoshop will end the work of photography. Blah blah blah.
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