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Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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post #21

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A child's life is valuable each moment. There's no guarantee of security and safety for any human anywhere at any time. We can't just be paralyzed by possible negative outcomes, life requires taking risks. (You might not want kids for some other reason, like free time, don't like kids, etc, but if you would otherwise have kids except for the dangers in the world, I'd say rethink your risk tolerance)

Possible negative outcomes seem to be becoming more and more possible. And no one cares so long as the number at the bottom of the piece of paper hits the target that was made 90 days prior. Altman's not the only example - our reluctance to tackle things like gun violence in the US or climate change are others - but he and his ilk are a prominent example.

All of the items you mentioned: AI, gun violence, and climate change all share similarities in not presenting easy solutions. Sure, people propose half-baked solutions frequently, but that doesn't mean you can get a diverse set of opinions to agree.

I hear lots of handwringing about all of these, but I've yet to hear workable solutions that don't have significant downsides and/or involve the use of force to stop those that disagree.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

#73
post #62

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Heh. I'm not a part of the private St. Louis preparatory school and "drop out of Stanford when a VC tells you you're Jesus Christ" set. I doubt any of my potential offspring would be either. No, more because Altman is an even higher form of Silicon Valley creature than we've seen before. This is a segment of society that thinks that you can directly judge something's benefit to humanity based on the IPO it could have…

> thinks that you can directly judge something's benefit to humanity based on the IPO it could have This is a deliberately cynical perspective along the tiresome ‘evil tech MBA overlord’ trope.

I only adopted this perspective after having worked in a publicly-traded company that was acquired by Oracle, for what it's worth.

So blame Larry.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

#74
post #22

I'm not a fan of this sort of takes. History has shown time and time again that pretty much any technological innovation is a net good, despite the protests of the luddites. Progressive creatives see this type of tech as a tool to simplify and re-adapt their process. The post author is 16, and an aspiring animator. If their attitude is to be scared of tech, instead of being insanely curious about it, they are not on…

In the long run, yes. In the short term it ruins peoples lives.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Because they may turn out like him?

Heh. I'm not a part of the private St. Louis preparatory school and "drop out of Stanford when a VC tells you you're Jesus Christ" set. I doubt any of my potential offspring would be either. No, more because Altman is an even higher form of Silicon Valley creature than we've seen before. This is a segment of society that thinks that you can directly judge something's benefit to humanity based on the IPO it could have…

Humans have never needed said technology to lie, deceive and mislead. Ignorance and human nature in general (eg confidence tricks) are a much more powerful weapons at any rate.

But the most effective defense remains the same: critical thinking.

Sadly, it's not very popular.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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I had a variation of this meta conversation with my sister yesterday, and I pointed out that in addition to all of the attention-drawing advances in the news cycle, there's lots of under-celebrated stuff happening to be really optimistic about.

For example, researchers are using ML to discover new proteins, leading to new drugs and new construction materials. https://www.cradle.bio/ is doing amazing things in this space.

It's true that if you make a living as a drone operator selling stock footage, you might need to diversify. However, I am not worried for intellectually curious teenage creatives at this time.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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post #55
post #34

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I understand - but isn‘t it a mistake to think of it as getting through? Soon it will be over and then merely having gotten through seems like such a waste.

Reality forces us into 0% free time. Not much choice.

Oh, there is a lot of choice. If you take on a lot of responsibilities (kids) and have a need for material wealth, then yes. I could have worked just 50% or even 25%% and would have been fine. I would not be able to own much, but I would be fine.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

#79
post #37

It might, or it might not. It might enhance many lives too. Maybe it's just the internet, but sometimes you have to wonder if there is a thriving neo-luddite community out there.

That puppies-playing-in-the-snow nightmare video isn't enhancing anybody's life

I really don't know why they included that, it seems like a counter-example.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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At some point in history every human wore clothes that were "hand-made". If we perceive history through the lens of art, we might mistakenly assume that because everyone got to have tailored clothes by professional artisan tailors the likes of which today are highly limited and specialized, that meant that everyone had better clothes.

It's true, tailor was a viable profession, but even then most people couldn't afford them. Families toiled to make their own clothes just as they did to grow enough food not to starve, or find enough fuel to heat their hearths not to freeze.

But there was also still a slice of the classes that could afford tailored clothes when tailors were ubiquitous. And now with the advent of automation no longer can.

Clothing automation made "tailor" no longer a viable profession for the masses, and it reduced the access to hand-made clothing for some people while dramatically increasing the access to clothing for the rest.

The point here is that both perspectives are right. People's lives WILL be ruined. A lack of confidence in the professional arts means that for some time the amount of quality human-generated animation and art will reduce. We may have already passed the peak - the early internet decades when people just put up their art for all to see for free access, not behind paywalls, but just to show that they can. The same art that all the image generation AI tools were trained on.

Will it have been worth it? I genuinely don't know. I'm 40, and I feel like I'm just at the intersection where I start to think that I fear what I don't understand and I invariably think that the way things worked in my 20s was better than the way things will work in my 60s. And yet, this is what has always happened with humanity.

And while the end result of this technology today may end up ruining the livelyhood of animators, legal assistants, and app developers, in the long run, these breakthroughs will end up providing access to more information, knowledge, and access to all of humanity.

Progress is not linear, and comes with tradeoffs. Some things go away and are not always replaced with something better.

But on a humanity time scale beyond the life of an individual human, the development of LLMs is moving us in the right direction.

We need to not lose sight of the macro issues - clean energy, pollution, climate change. We can figure out how to still have tailors and animators in the future. But if we kill all the sharks, dolphins, and polar bears, they're not coming back.

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