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Post by xboxnolifes »

habitue wrote: post #16
hyperluz wrote: post #5

IMHO the advancements in technology related with industries in which the end product is digital (movies, animation, texts, programs, etc.,) instead of fundamental spatial services like automation of food productions, cleaning, garbage collection, house building, etc., is a direct consequence of physical space being a luxury around the world, with housing and renting prices skyrocketing. The Garage Culture is a privil…

To be clear, there is plenty of space for humans on earth right now. I'm not talking about in uninhabitable places, I mean in amazing fertile locations. Real world space is a luxury because of bad regulation in places with good governments and other places having bad governments (you didn't imply otherwise, but I know there's a common misconception that space is running out and the world is overcrowded. It's largely…

Even outside of regulations, the biggest issue is access to (well paying) jobs. There may be land available to build affordable estates in tons of areas, but there are no jobs to work there to pay for it.

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #89
DalasNoin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

This answer sounds like taken from one of the AI startups' investor pitch. Don't believe in these "too-good-to-be-true" promises that hustlers put into their slide decks. :-)

And your comment is against HN guidelines. Don't take swipes.

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Post by blibble »

swalsh wrote: post #45
lenerdenator wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were at the opposite spectrum of life's journey, I would be open to life's changes too, knowing that I didn't have much of it left. But I'm in my 30s, which means on average I have another 40-50 years of existence to get through.

I think AI is really exciting, I'm having a lot of fun building with it... but this is clearly the golden Era of AI. The future will see deep consolidation, most people will struggle to compete. The future will be full of wealth, but it remains to be seen if the wealth makes everyone's lives better, or just a select elite. Potentially the future might be great, we don't have jobs... we have hobbies. Think Sisko's dad…

> but it remains to be seen if the wealth makes everyone's lives better, or just a select elite.

yes, as I see it this will go one of five ways, ordered by probability

0) it's all hype: AI plateaus/fizzles out, maybe minor productivity improvements

1) techno-feudalism: ruling class of AI company trillionaires exercise complete domination of 99.9999% of humanity

2) new dark age: billions of newly unemployed formerly middle class workers riot worldwide targeting DCs and fabs. AI CEOs/VCs suffer the fate of the French kings

3) techno-utopia (Earth in Star Trek)

4) AI takeover

personally I'm hoping for 0

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by siquick »

Other than generative, what other AI advancements have there been in medical and science fields in the last 12 months? Hopefully the sole focus hasn’t been on white collar job automation in exchange for $20 a month.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by danielheath »

DalasNoin wrote: post #71
scandox wrote: post #29

I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

> AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results.

In the jargon of fine arts, "craft" refers "making a thing well / in a particular style" while "art" has something to say, most often challenging a widespread idea.

EG installing a toilet in a room of an art gallery with a plaque stating "this is art" was a bold work of art, but was not an impressive display of craft.

I really appreciate this distinction, because separating those concepts immediately clarifies a lot of the discussion around "AI Art".

AI can imitate _craft_ exceptionally well, but it cannot create _art_ (that is, it can't independently devise a display which challenges a widespread idea).

Working artists are losing out because nearly all of the economic demand for art was actually demand for craft, and they're doubly angry because their past work was needed to create the machine that's now undercutting their income.

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Post by nick__m »

j2kun wrote: post #48

The responses in that thread are basically telling a 16 year old kid that their feelings are wrong and they should shut up and get on board.

I don't see what's wrong with telling a teenager that human made artistic endeavors will be relegated to the realm of hobbies and that if he doesn't want to worry about job security he should learn a trade like plumbing.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

cryptozeus wrote: post #4

Very good discussion there. “I am 68 years old, on the opposite spectrum of life’s journey. At your age, I had the same passion to be a writer. But when personal computers became available just a few years later, that passion changed to becoming a computer programmer. I’ve been doing that ever since. My point is: Don’t lose your passion. Learn everything you can about this new technology and figure out how to use it…

Early in my programming career, I designed and built a piece of software that made one very specific job easy. It made the job so easy, that instead of a department of thirty people doing that job, the company only needed three, trained to use my software. I put people out of work.

It had never entered into my thinking that the code I was writing, the screens I was designing, and the system I deployed would do that. Ever since that project, I think about that. You have to think not just about what the software will do for the people you intend to use it, but what it will do to them as well.

With our headlong rush to deploy more generative capacity, there's zero consideration for this. The reasons we're ignoring this are understandable, if sad. There's too much money to be made being the first or best on the block to deploy this capability. There's too much potential control if you're the winner of this race to stop. The downsides will be felt by others, not the ones deploying the software... until they put some of their friends out of work, and even then, they won't look up and notice until it's too late.

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Post by janice1999 »

baal80spam wrote: post #13

> You’re forgetting that 100 years ago photographers and filmmakers ended the careers of most of the illustrators, story tellers and theater companies of their time. And everybody adjusted, and storytelling and image making exploded, entering a golden age. There are still amazing portrait painters and theater companies today, but they are specialized art forms and most people have moved on. Today’s photography and fi…

It's easy to not agree because the quote ignores both the long duration of the change and the fact that the new industries also employed real people, often the same people from older industries or their children/protégés. That will absolutely not be the case for AI.

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Post by bandrami »

hyperluz wrote: post #90
bandrami wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about the rest of the world but most Americans live in significantly larger housing than previous generations did (that's part of why it's so expensive). SROs are basically illegal now, and "starter houses" that used to be 800 sq feet three times that size now.

I don't know if there is a concrete source of your claiming. Even if there is, it's probably restricted to the USA. At relevant parts of the USA, house sizes are being compressed. Source: The New York Times Title: The Great Compression Date: 02/17/2024 Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/business/economy/the-grea... Edit: formating

That's definitely contrary to the generational trend, which is towards larger and larger houses and apartments:

https://www.ctinsider.com/living/article/column-home-size-am...

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Post by janice1999 »

siquick wrote: post #104

Other than generative, what other AI advancements have there been in medical and science fields in the last 12 months? Hopefully the sole focus hasn’t been on white collar job automation in exchange for $20 a month.

Image based diagnosis is probably going to get a lot better. See "AI-supported mammogram screening increases breast cancer detection by 20%, study finds " [0]

[0] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/health/ai-breast-cancer-d...

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