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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by petre »

holoduke wrote: post #777
SEJeff wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

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Except Ukrainians are prepared to fight Russia to preserve their freedom and independence, that's the main difference. The majority of Russians just put up with a totalitarian regime after another because that's what they were always used to do. Also there are language differences, but almost everybody over 40 in Ukraine can speak Russian, mainly because Moscow tried very hard and pretty much succeeded erasing their history and culture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions_and_occupa...

Even Russia is very diverse ethnicaly and culturaly, as expected of such a huge country. The differences between the Far East, Sankt Petersbug, Daghestan and Buryatia are quite significant.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by falserum »

wolverine876 wrote: post #733
nonethewiser wrote: post #607

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> Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed? Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable.

> Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable. As a rule of life, that's a pretty bad idea. I don't avoid conflict with family, friends, neighbors, coworkers by being scary. In international relations, it's by far more effective to be agreeable. Alliances are far more stable than competitive balance between 'scary' countries. Look at the EU; look at Korea - which relationships are more stable, the scar…

> As a rule of life, that's a pretty bad idea. I don't avoid conflict with family, friends, neighbors, coworkers by being scary.

There is time and place for both.

Some people live in much rougher environment, where you must demonstrate strength, if you dont want to be eaten. (Not in the family, but once you go outside)

Russia is not a guy that you met at a library, Russia is a gangmember that runs a “protection” racket.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tryauuum »

alumnisfu wrote: post #641
avmich wrote: post #624

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

> I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. If you are comparing him to MLK, you've not seen Navalny's videos on Central Asians I guess (in case you need a summary: compares them to insects that need to be exterminated then kills one with a handgun).

I was hesitant to click on the video link but I clicked anyway

Actually very carefully designed, he never calls anyone inferior or talks about extermination.

To me, even if he was proudly racist (which I'm not sure he was) he still is a hero. Anyone tortured and murdered by Putin is a hero

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ivan_gammel »

SEJeff wrote: post #791
ncr100 wrote: post #732

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I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

Navalny has always been a supporter of a concept referred to as "Russkiy Mir"[1] and has spoke at length about it. It is a weird ethno religious philosophy which shows the bounds of the russian country extend far past the borders of teh russian federation. The closest I can easily describe it is as a weird western version of jihad where they want to assume all other cultures and erase them in favor of expansion of th…

He did all of that, true, but all of that no longer matters. Nobody cares about Che Guevara personality or political views, when they wear a t-shirt with his portrait. He became a symbol of resistance and Alexey will become another one, an iconic figure who was poisoned, but returned home to continue his fight.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nomilk »

e12e wrote: post #539
aerique wrote: post #385

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I never understood why he went back to Russia.

Why stand in front of a tank?

A brilliant response. Why do anything at one's own expense that could possibly help hundreds of millions?

Today was predictable, but that only accentuates Navalny's bravery. He knew persecution was highly likely, and he did not flinch.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lordfrito »

wolverine876 wrote: post #740
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

> If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. > The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. I think there's an essential conne…

> As many in the West disparage or undermine those values, they are doing the work of Putin and Xi (at times, I'm sure, led by their disinformation campaigns).

I don't have evidence, but my gut says that's not by accident. This slippery slope we've been heading down for the last few decades (no more right and wrong, all values are equal, anyone who says otherwise is a problem/oppressor/colonizer) look to me like a well funded / coordinated / long term political warfare campaign in order to build a country of "appeasers". People who refuse to stand up for anything -- we all know that's how bullies win.

I often wonder how much of what we're doing to ourselves is actually being funded by bad actors, fake patriots, etc.

I don't trust any free news. Someone is paying for a message to be delivered to my eyeballs, and I don't know who that is. Maybe 1% of stories are from bad actors, maybe it's 25%. Who knows? The answer matters -- a lot.

No one trusts anyone anymore. We've lost faith in our government and each other. No better way to conquer a nation than from within.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by thriftwy »

mipsi wrote: post #630
Qwero wrote: post #616

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I always assumed Russia will win beside the small event when prigoschin marched to Moscow. The question to me was more what happens after? Terrorism inside Russia for years? Low bip for decades? Nato setting a clear border

I'm not sure how to define a Russian win? Taking Kyiv? Regime change?

Russia gets to keep what it got so far¥ and everybody having to deal with it?

¥ modulo international recognition, which Russia does not care that much about.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by gpvos »

holoduke wrote: post #777
SEJeff wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

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The history of both nations is hugely different. I would recommend this lecture series by Timothy Snyder to enlighten you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz...

Yes, there are lots of family and friendship ties between the countries. It's sad that Putin has destroyed any chance of good relationships in the future, and basically solidified Ukraine as a nation in opposition to his aggression.

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