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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by jakub_g »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #602
cyrillite wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.

Raman Pratasevich / Roman Protasevich.

He was pardoned by Lukashenka last year, since then there was little news, but this week he showed up in a video stream. I found out in Polish media, was very hard to find an English article about it, found just one:

https://www.txtreport.com/life/2024-02-14-%22i-ve-built-the-...

Lukashenka is not better than Putin, many oppositionists are rotting in prisons, but for some reason (young age?) he let Roman go, probably after some devil's deal.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by [deleted] »

paganel wrote: post #313
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

The US and the EU are mostly at parity when it comes to total spending (that includes military spending), with the difference being of about 5-10% last time I checked (which was sometimes in September of 2023). By how things have progressed since then it is fair to say that the EU has taken the upper hand on that. And this is all without counting the "externalities" of the war in Ukraine which Europe had to absorb al…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ianburrell »

banku_brougham wrote: post #268

Does anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?

More important question is how is it that you don't know that NATO has given Ukraine all of those?

Patriot and NASAMs batteries have been defending Ukraine for a while. ATACMS have been used against Russian air fields. F-16s aren't being used there is a lot of training first, but they have been delivered.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by avmich »

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK.

USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

cglace wrote: post #144
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

“America bad” is the opium of the masses.

IMO, if any random country’s government whom we are not allied with through NATO publicly criticizes the USA’s response to helping them out in a war that we have no obligation to help with, I believe we should immediately cease any and all financial aid and let them feel the squeeze. When they publicly apologize and recognize that the United States is truly the only thing keeping any order in the world, then and only then do we consider resuming whatever support we deem appropriate. This should apply to any NATO-allied nation who hasn’t met their 2% defense spending as well. If your country doesn’t keep up their end of the deal, we certainly shouldn’t keep ours.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by endigma »

Its funny to me that with the current state of Russia this guy could have died with absolutely zero interference from the state and the rest of the world will assume he was killed no matter what comes out of Russian media, purely due to their track record with this sort of thing.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #50

I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.

The day he returned, he released a video about a $1B palace built by Putin with stolen money. Maybe he (mistakenly) believed people will rise to his cause upon seeing the video.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by 082349872349872 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #618
082349872349872 wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard the metaphor of the chicken and the pig at breakfast time? I could probably stand in the Krasnaya Ploshchad and yell "Vladimir Zelenskiy Sucks!" without repercussion, but that wouldn't make it effective criticism.

Why didn't you say Red Square instead of, in an English sentence, dropping in a Russian adjective and Russian noun?

  1. it's only a copy, paste, and click to get to Red Square
  2. it fits with the .ru transliteration of Volodymyr Zelenskyy
  3. it retains any original ambiguity between "red" and "beautiful"
  4. it avoids confusing the Union with the Federation
  5. it complies with dang's suggestion not to overly spoon-feed each other
EDIT: in other news: https://www.theonion.com/putin-distraught-over-friends-who-k...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cglace »

BurningFrog wrote: post #403
cglace wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

> The US has provided... You write in the past tense, and in that sense you're right. But the US is no longer providing that help.

We can barely pass a bill to continue funding OUR government. It doesn't mean it won't eventually get done.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mipsi »

Qwero wrote: post #616
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

I always assumed Russia will win beside the small event when prigoschin marched to Moscow. The question to me was more what happens after? Terrorism inside Russia for years? Low bip for decades? Nato setting a clear border

I'm not sure how to define a Russian win? Taking Kyiv? Regime change?
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